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> Then why did so many vote extremist anti EU? Is the EU really a benefit to the people? Or is it a shit pool full of scum bags providing quite some damage to

> Then why did so many vote extremist anti EU? Is the EU really a benefit to the people? Or is it a shit pool full of scum bags providing quite some damage to societies?

ricardobeat 2y ago
All things considered I think that’s a strong yes. Open borders, free trade, technological collaboration, and shared health, industry and consumer regulations help accelerate economic development. Can’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.
- simianparrot 2y ago
  First two have been utter disasters however, and are directly affecting people on a daily basis now. Here in Scandinavia it’s coming to a head but it’s a similar story further south, in Germany in particular.
  - iknowstuff 2y ago
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  - ricardobeat 2y ago
    Immigration, which I assume is what you’re hinting at, has nothing to do with open borders between EU states.
    - simianparrot 2y ago
      Unchecked cheap labor from eastern european countries has had a dramatic effect. That's directly related. But illegal immigration also does because the moment you get in to one lax EU country with open borders to another, your movement is a lot easier. I live this reality and have family in law enforcement. You might not want to believe it but it's absolutely the truth on the ground. We need to control our borders much more strictly.
  - account42 2y ago
    At least for Germany that situation is not imposed by the EU but is entirely due to the choices of the local politicians.
- urduntupu 2y ago
  Economic development? Which countries?
  - lukan 2y ago
    Erm, all of european states are quite better off, than their neighbors?
beeboobaa3 2y ago
> Is the EU really a benefit to the people Obviously, yes.
circlefavshape 2y ago
Pretty much all the environmental protection legislation we have in Ireland came from the EU. So yes, a benefit
- account42 2y ago
  On the otherhand, Ireland's corporate-friendly laws are a negative for other EU countries.

> Then why did so many vote extremist anti EU? Is the EU really a benefit to the people? Or is it a shit pool full of scum bags providing quite some damage to societies?

ricardobeat 2y ago

All things considered I think that’s a strong yes. Open borders, free trade, technological collaboration, and shared health, industry and consumer regulations help accelerate economic development. Can’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.

simianparrot 2y ago
First two have been utter disasters however, and are directly affecting people on a daily basis now. Here in Scandinavia it’s coming to a head but it’s a similar story further south, in Germany in particular.
- iknowstuff 2y ago
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- ricardobeat 2y ago
  Immigration, which I assume is what you’re hinting at, has nothing to do with open borders between EU states.
  - simianparrot 2y ago
    Unchecked cheap labor from eastern european countries has had a dramatic effect. That's directly related. But illegal immigration also does because the moment you get in to one lax EU country with open borders to another, your movement is a lot easier. I live this reality and have family in law enforcement. You might not want to believe it but it's absolutely the truth on the ground. We need to control our borders much more strictly.
- account42 2y ago
  At least for Germany that situation is not imposed by the EU but is entirely due to the choices of the local politicians.
urduntupu 2y ago
Economic development? Which countries?
- lukan 2y ago
  Erm, all of european states are quite better off, than their neighbors?

beeboobaa3 2y ago

> Is the EU really a benefit to the people Obviously, yes.

circlefavshape 2y ago

Pretty much all the environmental protection legislation we have in Ireland came from the EU. So yes, a benefit

account42 2y ago
On the otherhand, Ireland's corporate-friendly laws are a negative for other EU countries.