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I too instinctively bristle at this kind of legislation. It's likely to be abused, with many false positive that make it more effective at sweeping up innocent

I too instinctively bristle at this kind of legislation. It's likely to be abused, with many false positive that make it more effective at sweeping up innocent people, while the guilty just find workarounds. But all coming on here and saying "ooohh, this is bad, innit!" is not very interesting, and unlikely to prevent it. Why is the EU doing this? Which political groups are supporting and opposing it? Why now? How are vendors responding? How does it affect non-EU countries?

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bratwurst3000 2y ago
They already found out that it is a lobby organization that pushes it for those who sell the products for surveillance. Please google it I am to lazy to search for it. Sorry Edit: here it is https://netzpolitik.org/2022/dude-wheres-my-privacy-how-a-hollywood-star-lobbies-the-eu-for-more-surveillance/#netzpolitik-pw https://netzpolitik.org/2022/dude-wheres-my-privacy-how-a-ho...
throwaway43734 2y ago
There are organizations which are selling AI tools to filter content. For instance, Thorn, a US organization founded by Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore, is building such tools and heavily lobbying for Chat Control in EU. "Ashton Kutcher is a tireless advocate." https://balkaninsight.com/2023/09/25/who-benefits-inside-the-eus-fight-over-scanning-for-child-sex-content/ https://balkaninsight.com/2023/09/25/who-benefits-inside-the...
- raxxorraxor 2y ago
  Also concerning that he seems to have more input on policy than all EU citizens together. This democracy the EU is implementing is becoming a joke.
- willcipriano 2y ago
  "Kelso would've wanted the surveillance state, and he banged Eric's sister so he is someone to look towards for moral guidance" "Oui oui!"
henry_pulver 2y ago
> But all coming on here and saying "ooohh, this is bad, innit!" is not very interesting, and unlikely to prevent it. I disagree - this is how the internet can strengthen democracy. Upvoting and commenting makes this post hit the top of HN and stay there. This makes it visible to many EU citizens who can reach out to their MEP's to ask them to vote against it. Seems a pretty effective strategy to me as someone living in a non-EU country. Although agree that we should also be discussing the questions you raised.
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- godelski 2y ago
  Complaining is the first step and a necessary one. But complaints need to be turned into critiques and more steps need to be taken. I'll state that as an American I'm quite unhappy with this as I know the regulations will also affect me and the truth of the matter is that I have a much smaller voice in this matter due to not being a European citizen. I do have additional worry since it was not that long ago which we saw the results of authoritarianism in Europe (though it did result in the strengthening of my country). And my concern is that authoritarianism creeps, often with good intentions but poor foresight. My biggest fear is that we did not learn the great lesson from WW2, in that Germany did not in fact go from good people to the entire country being evil and back to being good people. If we can't understand this process and see how it actually happens (with the details) it will only repeat, led by people that have. But I don't know how to get people to understand subtleties, and that seems like a major issue in a world growing increasingly complex.

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bratwurst3000 2y ago

They already found out that it is a lobby organization that pushes it for those who sell the products for surveillance. Please google it I am to lazy to search for it. Sorry Edit: here it is https://netzpolitik.org/2022/dude-wheres-my-privacy-how-a-hollywood-star-lobbies-the-eu-for-more-surveillance/#netzpolitik-pw https://netzpolitik.org/2022/dude-wheres-my-privacy-how-a-ho...

throwaway43734 2y ago

There are organizations which are selling AI tools to filter content. For instance, Thorn, a US organization founded by Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore, is building such tools and heavily lobbying for Chat Control in EU. "Ashton Kutcher is a tireless advocate." https://balkaninsight.com/2023/09/25/who-benefits-inside-the-eus-fight-over-scanning-for-child-sex-content/ https://balkaninsight.com/2023/09/25/who-benefits-inside-the...

raxxorraxor 2y ago
Also concerning that he seems to have more input on policy than all EU citizens together. This democracy the EU is implementing is becoming a joke.
willcipriano 2y ago
"Kelso would've wanted the surveillance state, and he banged Eric's sister so he is someone to look towards for moral guidance" "Oui oui!"

henry_pulver 2y ago

> But all coming on here and saying "ooohh, this is bad, innit!" is not very interesting, and unlikely to prevent it. I disagree - this is how the internet can strengthen democracy. Upvoting and commenting makes this post hit the top of HN and stay there. This makes it visible to many EU citizens who can reach out to their MEP's to ask them to vote against it. Seems a pretty effective strategy to me as someone living in a non-EU country. Although agree that we should also be discussing the questions you raised.

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godelski 2y ago
Complaining is the first step and a necessary one. But complaints need to be turned into critiques and more steps need to be taken. I'll state that as an American I'm quite unhappy with this as I know the regulations will also affect me and the truth of the matter is that I have a much smaller voice in this matter due to not being a European citizen. I do have additional worry since it was not that long ago which we saw the results of authoritarianism in Europe (though it did result in the strengthening of my country). And my concern is that authoritarianism creeps, often with good intentions but poor foresight. My biggest fear is that we did not learn the great lesson from WW2, in that Germany did not in fact go from good people to the entire country being evil and back to being good people. If we can't understand this process and see how it actually happens (with the details) it will only repeat, led by people that have. But I don't know how to get people to understand subtleties, and that seems like a major issue in a world growing increasingly complex.