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> If there are browser features that users want (like tabs) [...] then users will go out of their way to install browsers that support them. The prerequisite o

> If there are browser features that users want (like tabs) [...] then users will go out of their way to install browsers that support them. The prerequisite of this is that such a web browser exists, which is not a given. I'd sacrifice an arm for a web browser that has non-disappearing natively themed scroll bars since due to accessibility issues I struggle with scroll wheels. This is not a big technical ask, yet to date, the only one I've found that offers this is Falkon, which unfortunately stuck on an old version of qt's webkit port meaning a bunch of websites break with it. You have a lot of choices but almost all of them are the same, or suck; or both.

severine 2y ago
I'd sacrifice an arm for a web browser that has non-disappearing natively themed scroll bars since due to accessibility issues I struggle with scroll wheels. Doesn't Firefox work at this? 1.Go to about:preferences or open the Firefox preferences via the UI 2.Scroll down until you get to a section titled "Browsing", or search for "scroll" 3.Check the setting "Always show scrollbars" ref: https://superuser.com/questions/1720362/firefox-scroll-bar-disappearing https://superuser.com/questions/1720362/firefox-scroll-bar-d... Go Marginalia!
- marginalia_nu 2y ago
  Problem is that it's too narrow, makes it hard to click. That's why I'm specifically looking for a native widget.
  - tutipop 2y ago
    In about:config widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.size.override 20 widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.style 4 widget.gtk.overlay-scrollbars.enabled false I even use a custom gtk.css to improve things further: scrollbar, scrollbar button, scrollbar slider { -GtkScrollbar-has-backward-stepper: true; -GtkScrollbar-has-secondary-forward-stepper: true; -GtkScrollbar-has-forward-stepper: true; min-width: 20px; min-height: 20px; border-radius: 0; } It's a shame we have to resort to this to get decent scrollbar behavior.
    - kwhitefoot 2y ago
      Thank you! How the hell is anyone supposed to discover things like this?
      - zzo38computer 2y ago
        Software should include documentation, which should mention all of the commands used there, so that you can know how to do it. Unfortunately, many of the settings are not very well documented, and the document is hard to find.
      - Vinnl 2y ago
        Good luck designing a UI that includes settings for scrollbar width and other settings of that granularity in which any of those settings are discoverable...
        WarOnPrivacy 2y ago
        > Good luck designing a UI [with] settings for scrollbar width and [similar] in which any of those settings are discoverable... Like Windows XP? ref: https://www.simplehelp.net/2009/08/04/how-to-enlarge-or-shrink-the-scrollbars-in-windows/ https://www.simplehelp.net/2009/08/04/how-to-enlarge-or-shri...
        Vinnl 2y ago
        Exactly. Admittedly I was a lot younger then, but I had a hard time finding even relatively simple options in the nested menus and tabs of Windows XP.

severine 2y ago

I'd sacrifice an arm for a web browser that has non-disappearing natively themed scroll bars since due to accessibility issues I struggle with scroll wheels. Doesn't Firefox work at this? 1.Go to about:preferences or open the Firefox preferences via the UI 2.Scroll down until you get to a section titled "Browsing", or search for "scroll" 3.Check the setting "Always show scrollbars" ref: https://superuser.com/questions/1720362/firefox-scroll-bar-disappearing https://superuser.com/questions/1720362/firefox-scroll-bar-d... Go Marginalia!

marginalia_nu 2y ago
Problem is that it's too narrow, makes it hard to click. That's why I'm specifically looking for a native widget.
- tutipop 2y ago
  In about:config widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.size.override 20 widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.style 4 widget.gtk.overlay-scrollbars.enabled false I even use a custom gtk.css to improve things further: scrollbar, scrollbar button, scrollbar slider { -GtkScrollbar-has-backward-stepper: true; -GtkScrollbar-has-secondary-forward-stepper: true; -GtkScrollbar-has-forward-stepper: true; min-width: 20px; min-height: 20px; border-radius: 0; } It's a shame we have to resort to this to get decent scrollbar behavior.
  - kwhitefoot 2y ago
    Thank you! How the hell is anyone supposed to discover things like this?
    - zzo38computer 2y ago
      Software should include documentation, which should mention all of the commands used there, so that you can know how to do it. Unfortunately, many of the settings are not very well documented, and the document is hard to find.
    - Vinnl 2y ago
      Good luck designing a UI that includes settings for scrollbar width and other settings of that granularity in which any of those settings are discoverable...
      - WarOnPrivacy 2y ago
        > Good luck designing a UI [with] settings for scrollbar width and [similar] in which any of those settings are discoverable... Like Windows XP? ref: https://www.simplehelp.net/2009/08/04/how-to-enlarge-or-shrink-the-scrollbars-in-windows/ https://www.simplehelp.net/2009/08/04/how-to-enlarge-or-shri...
        Vinnl 2y ago
        Exactly. Admittedly I was a lot younger then, but I had a hard time finding even relatively simple options in the nested menus and tabs of Windows XP.