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The problem with wikis is similar to the problem with forums... it's not that they do not work really well, they do, but it's that the cost of running a single
by buro9 2y ago
The problem with wikis is similar to the problem with forums... it's not that they do not work really well, they do, but it's that the cost of running a single wiki or forum in terms of operational overhead and hosting costs is significant.
Dynamic user generated content is going to do two things:
1) it's going to result in you needing a database and a web server, capable of a few concurrent users (in addition to bots and guests) but likely sized to handle your spikes in traffic... i.e. over-sized, let's ballpark at $50 per month (people will argue some specifics, but in general this is indicative)
2) it's going to result in you needing to stay up to date, moderate new users, and manage spam... i.e. it requires a disproportionate time investment
and the content is likely crappy, you were just having shits and giggles and nerding out on some small thing that you got excited about... not quite worth those costs.
the solution then is a multi-tenant platform that distributes the ops, cost and moderation problem evenly across many sites, so perhaps the $ cost to you is $1 per month, and time is hardly anything.
but now you've got a different problem, now there's a central entity that "owns" the platform and likely helped itself to a license allowing it to use all of the content, monetise away and profit of the fandom of others.
there are anarchic platforms to counter this, but they're small and cannot be the destination for people to migrate to, and so we're stuck with either the high overhead, costs, and burnout of individual sites, or these crappy platforms taking their users for granted.
though now I wonder... what license is fandom content under? can an independent entity scrape it and start over?
- deleted 2y ago[deleted]
- re 2y ago> what license is fandom content under? Generally, CC BY-SA https://www.fandom.com/licensing https://www.fandom.com/licensing > can an independent entity scrape it and start over? Sure. The difficult part is migrating the community and competing in search results. Fandom can and does fight efforts to direct people from fandom-hosted wikis to elsewhere. See this other sub-thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40711726 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40711726
- iamacyborg 2y agoHosting cost is actually super affordable, even for large and successful wikis. The guy who admins the independent Baldur’s Gate 3 wiki has mentioned it’s only single digits a month and they’re doing tens of millions of pageviews.
- gyaru 2y agoI'm running a pretty big wiki that serves around 2m unique users on around 45 dollars a month. It's not really that intensive when you pretty much just serve cached html to 99% of the users.
- account42 2y ago> $50 per month That's going to host a gigantic wiki even with something as bloated as Mediawiki running on PHP, at least if you have a remotely sensible setup with (micro)caching for anonymous users.