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> understanding concepts and reasoning. Steelmanning "There is a greater focus on getting the "right" answer than understanding concepts and reasoning." Corre

> understanding concepts and reasoning. Steelmanning "There is a greater focus on getting the "right" answer than understanding concepts and reasoning." Correct understanding and reasoning leads to correct answers. I want my airplane engineers to understand the concepts and reason through them and not have a shallow understanding of memorized solutions.

tux1968 2y ago
How does that have anything to do with white supremacy, though?
- gravescale 2y ago
  White reflects sunlight better and leads to less heating of the airframe's skin, shows up damage and leaks well, and the expensive paint job doesn't fade in the high-UV troposphere, so it's the supreme paint colour for most civil aircraft both in practical and economic terms.
WalterBright 2y ago
> I want my airplane engineers to understand the concepts and reason through them and not have a shallow understanding of memorized solutions. So do I, and I had some disrespect for the engineers who relied on memorization, but memorization is the first step towards understanding. For example, if you want to play guitar like Van Halen, you gotta start by memorizing the finger positions.
- davorak 2y ago
  > So do I, and I had some disrespect for the engineers who relied on memorization, but memorization is the first step towards understanding. I disagree that it is always the first step towards understanding. It is for some people but it is not the only route. At the end of the day some memorization is needed in most disciplines not just math. > "There is a greater focus on getting the "right" answer than understanding concepts and reasoning." Approximate rewording to what should/can be done rather what should't be done ~"focus first on understand concepts and reasoning, then getting the correct answer"
  - WalterBright 2y ago
    > It is for some people but it is not the only route Teaching 5 different routes to a classroom means focus is lost and little progress is made. Besides, monkey-see monkey-do is an innate skill of humans, and it works. Especially with children, who have a very undeveloped ability to reason. Reason comes later. Learning starting from basic principles is introduced in high school, but is foundational at the university level. By then the students can understand it.
    - davorak 2y ago
      >> "There is a greater focus on getting the "right" answer than understanding concepts and reasoning." > Approximate rewording to what should/can be done rather what should't be done ~"focus first on understand concepts and reasoning, then getting the correct answer" How about my rewording here does that address your main concerns from the quoted approach?

tux1968 2y ago

How does that have anything to do with white supremacy, though?

gravescale 2y ago
White reflects sunlight better and leads to less heating of the airframe's skin, shows up damage and leaks well, and the expensive paint job doesn't fade in the high-UV troposphere, so it's the supreme paint colour for most civil aircraft both in practical and economic terms.

WalterBright 2y ago

> I want my airplane engineers to understand the concepts and reason through them and not have a shallow understanding of memorized solutions. So do I, and I had some disrespect for the engineers who relied on memorization, but memorization is the first step towards understanding. For example, if you want to play guitar like Van Halen, you gotta start by memorizing the finger positions.

davorak 2y ago
> So do I, and I had some disrespect for the engineers who relied on memorization, but memorization is the first step towards understanding. I disagree that it is always the first step towards understanding. It is for some people but it is not the only route. At the end of the day some memorization is needed in most disciplines not just math. > "There is a greater focus on getting the "right" answer than understanding concepts and reasoning." Approximate rewording to what should/can be done rather what should't be done ~"focus first on understand concepts and reasoning, then getting the correct answer"
- WalterBright 2y ago
  > It is for some people but it is not the only route Teaching 5 different routes to a classroom means focus is lost and little progress is made. Besides, monkey-see monkey-do is an innate skill of humans, and it works. Especially with children, who have a very undeveloped ability to reason. Reason comes later. Learning starting from basic principles is introduced in high school, but is foundational at the university level. By then the students can understand it.
  - davorak 2y ago
    >> "There is a greater focus on getting the "right" answer than understanding concepts and reasoning." > Approximate rewording to what should/can be done rather what should't be done ~"focus first on understand concepts and reasoning, then getting the correct answer" How about my rewording here does that address your main concerns from the quoted approach?