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Resident of Japan here. Young people ruining their kidneys by swallowing whole bottles of OTC cough medicine instead of smoking weed isn't "winning the war drug

Resident of Japan here. Young people ruining their kidneys by swallowing whole bottles of OTC cough medicine instead of smoking weed isn't "winning the war drugs". Look up "市販薬OD" if you don't believe me.

seoulmetro 2y ago
Actually it has won the war on drugs. Cough medicine isn't any more mind altering than caffeine is, of course you can destroy yourself overdosing on anything considered a toxin in high doses... This is hilarious. You think Japan is struggling with drug trafficking, drug abuse and policing of drug use?
- nxicvyvy 2y ago
  Japan, and many other countries around the world follow the US' lead. Your stupid racist cannibis propaganda and subsequent laws infiltrated the world over. We're all paying for it now.
  - SSLy 2y ago
    In the name of bantz, we never had culture of cannabis usage in Europe before 20th century. Opioids on the other hand…
    - bitxbitxbitcoin 2y ago
      Culture of cannabis usage in Europe can actually be traced back to the 19th century.[0] [0] https://www.amazon.com/Taming-Cannabis-Empire-Nineteenth-Century-France/dp/0228001196 https://www.amazon.com/Taming-Cannabis-Empire-Nineteenth-Cen...
      - SSLy 2y ago
        oh damn, thanks. TIL.
        bitxbitxbitcoin 2y ago
        I only learned recently, too!
  - seoulmetro 2y ago
    This is true, unfortunately the biggest export from the US is its mistakes. Probably because it is a lot easier to export something if you have to force yourself to live with it, but then get bitter if others don't. If you're an American, please stop ruining other peoples countries because you want them to be like your own messed up one.
    - nxicvyvy 2y ago
      What? The USA is an amazing net positive on the world. There is just some stuff that really shouldn't have happened.
      - seoulmetro 2y ago
        The USA was an amazing net positive on the world. That ship sailed a while ago.
- DoItToMe81 2y ago
  DXM is absolutely more mind altering than caffeine. What do you mean?
  - seoulmetro 2y ago
    How so?
- xnzakg 2y ago
  Isn't cough medicine with codeine or DXM more mind altering than caffeine?
- krispyfi 2y ago
  I've been following drug policy around the world for decades. The reason it is so interesting (and so pernicious) is because it's a big jumble of counterintuitive, niggling details and unintended consequences that defies common sense. Of course cough medicine isn't any more mind altering than caffeine - except that there at least two types of highly psychoactive cough medicine: opioid, which has narcotic effects, and dextromethorphan, which has dissociative effects. Experts, including Dr. Toshihiko Matsumoto, claim that wrist-cutting, suicides, and other self-harm increases when it becomes more difficult for young people to purchase cough syrup, presumably because they use it self-medicate trauma. This is a microcosm for drug policy in general. Prohibition is only successful if you ignore second-order effects. None of this is to discourage you from learning more about drug policy. Maybe if more people learned about it we would stop repeating the same mistakes over and over again
  - subjectsigma 2y ago
    Bizarre comment. > I've been following drug policy around the world for decades Is this supposed to make you an authority on the topic? > Of course cough medicine … You literally said “cough medicine isn’t mind altering,” and then used the next paragraph to explain how it is mind-altering. > … presumably because they use it self-medicate trauma Are you implying that when vulnerable people try to harm themselves with drugs we should let them pick their own drugs and dosage? How about, you know, real medical help?
    - krispyfi 2y ago
      > Is this supposed to make you an authority on the topic? Of course not, that's why I provided the name of an authority. > You literally said “cough medicine isn’t mind altering,” and then used the next paragraph to explain how it is mind-altering. Paraphrasing the argument of my interlocutor and then immediately refuting it is a common rhetorical device. > How about, you know, real medical help? Of course people need real medical help. It's easier for them to seek it if they aren't at risk of criminal prosecution. Look up "harm reduction".
  - seoulmetro 2y ago

seoulmetro 2y ago

Actually it has won the war on drugs. Cough medicine isn't any more mind altering than caffeine is, of course you can destroy yourself overdosing on anything considered a toxin in high doses... This is hilarious. You think Japan is struggling with drug trafficking, drug abuse and policing of drug use?

nxicvyvy 2y ago
Japan, and many other countries around the world follow the US' lead. Your stupid racist cannibis propaganda and subsequent laws infiltrated the world over. We're all paying for it now.
- SSLy 2y ago
  In the name of bantz, we never had culture of cannabis usage in Europe before 20th century. Opioids on the other hand…
  - bitxbitxbitcoin 2y ago
    Culture of cannabis usage in Europe can actually be traced back to the 19th century.[0] [0] https://www.amazon.com/Taming-Cannabis-Empire-Nineteenth-Century-France/dp/0228001196 https://www.amazon.com/Taming-Cannabis-Empire-Nineteenth-Cen...
    - SSLy 2y ago
      oh damn, thanks. TIL.
      - bitxbitxbitcoin 2y ago
        I only learned recently, too!
- seoulmetro 2y ago
  This is true, unfortunately the biggest export from the US is its mistakes. Probably because it is a lot easier to export something if you have to force yourself to live with it, but then get bitter if others don't. If you're an American, please stop ruining other peoples countries because you want them to be like your own messed up one.
  - nxicvyvy 2y ago
    What? The USA is an amazing net positive on the world. There is just some stuff that really shouldn't have happened.
    - seoulmetro 2y ago
      The USA was an amazing net positive on the world. That ship sailed a while ago.
DoItToMe81 2y ago
DXM is absolutely more mind altering than caffeine. What do you mean?
- seoulmetro 2y ago
  How so?
xnzakg 2y ago
Isn't cough medicine with codeine or DXM more mind altering than caffeine?
krispyfi 2y ago
I've been following drug policy around the world for decades. The reason it is so interesting (and so pernicious) is because it's a big jumble of counterintuitive, niggling details and unintended consequences that defies common sense. Of course cough medicine isn't any more mind altering than caffeine - except that there at least two types of highly psychoactive cough medicine: opioid, which has narcotic effects, and dextromethorphan, which has dissociative effects. Experts, including Dr. Toshihiko Matsumoto, claim that wrist-cutting, suicides, and other self-harm increases when it becomes more difficult for young people to purchase cough syrup, presumably because they use it self-medicate trauma. This is a microcosm for drug policy in general. Prohibition is only successful if you ignore second-order effects. None of this is to discourage you from learning more about drug policy. Maybe if more people learned about it we would stop repeating the same mistakes over and over again
- subjectsigma 2y ago
  Bizarre comment. > I've been following drug policy around the world for decades Is this supposed to make you an authority on the topic? > Of course cough medicine … You literally said “cough medicine isn’t mind altering,” and then used the next paragraph to explain how it is mind-altering. > … presumably because they use it self-medicate trauma Are you implying that when vulnerable people try to harm themselves with drugs we should let them pick their own drugs and dosage? How about, you know, real medical help?
  - krispyfi 2y ago
    > Is this supposed to make you an authority on the topic? Of course not, that's why I provided the name of an authority. > You literally said “cough medicine isn’t mind altering,” and then used the next paragraph to explain how it is mind-altering. Paraphrasing the argument of my interlocutor and then immediately refuting it is a common rhetorical device. > How about, you know, real medical help? Of course people need real medical help. It's easier for them to seek it if they aren't at risk of criminal prosecution. Look up "harm reduction".
- seoulmetro 2y ago