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That's a good point. I make hiphop so MPC jives with me and my vinyl-based sampling workflow perfectly. A lot of critiques of MPC I see come from people doing

by dmix 2y ago

That's a good point. I make hiphop so MPC jives with me and my vinyl-based sampling workflow perfectly. A lot of critiques of MPC I see come from people doing live stuff or non-electronic based music. You can only make so many people happy with each piece of software/hardware. DAWs try to do it all, and market themselves that way, but a lot of people seem to end up using one for production, one for mixing, etc. But also there's a TON of unserious people in music who don't really learn their craft and just jump between tools looking for a solution to their disinterest in really making music, and then they leave these critical reviews of tools they didn't bother learning, before moving on to the next DAW/synth/etc

hammyhavoc 2y ago
For me, the Roger Linn designed MPCs always felt like instruments in their own right, especially the 3000. JJOS also fascinating, not Linn design, but wonderful in its own right. The modern ones don't really come close to those, IMO. They're interesting, but they're more akin to DAWs in their scope, and with that flexibility comes compromise. Always loved that you could run SMTPE on older MPCs for scoring picture, that's what made Maschine an interesting proposition as you could just run it in-DAW, but unfortunately nowhere near as fleshed out as oldskool MPC offerings. The friction with Maschine for me was not being able to record mutes ala MPC—you still can't! That's without even getting into the lack of PDC in Maschine and clock stability getting worse with project complexity (this was a problem for years until I realized they didn't implement PDC!). Modern MPC software on the PC doesn't do PDC either. It's funny how things advance but regress in other ways, feel that way about computers and software in general—pretty, but lacking depth in a lot of software. I love these exchanges in unexpected places. Makes me so happy to find passion for music, especially enthusiasm for the instruments and tools.
- dmix 2y ago
  Same. I was surprised to see this on HN as a daily Live 2 user. Ive been using an Akai S1100 sampler from 1991 recently, I'm a millennial who grew up with DOS and floppy so not totally foreign but it's been fun exploring floppy, Syquest SCSI 44mb drives, CD caddys, and hunting down old manuals to find the special combination of keys to get into hardware diagnostics mode. Plenty for nerds to get technical enjoyment in music.

by dmix 2y ago

hammyhavoc 2y ago

For me, the Roger Linn designed MPCs always felt like instruments in their own right, especially the 3000. JJOS also fascinating, not Linn design, but wonderful in its own right. The modern ones don't really come close to those, IMO. They're interesting, but they're more akin to DAWs in their scope, and with that flexibility comes compromise. Always loved that you could run SMTPE on older MPCs for scoring picture, that's what made Maschine an interesting proposition as you could just run it in-DAW, but unfortunately nowhere near as fleshed out as oldskool MPC offerings. The friction with Maschine for me was not being able to record mutes ala MPC—you still can't! That's without even getting into the lack of PDC in Maschine and clock stability getting worse with project complexity (this was a problem for years until I realized they didn't implement PDC!). Modern MPC software on the PC doesn't do PDC either. It's funny how things advance but regress in other ways, feel that way about computers and software in general—pretty, but lacking depth in a lot of software. I love these exchanges in unexpected places. Makes me so happy to find passion for music, especially enthusiasm for the instruments and tools.

dmix 2y ago
Same. I was surprised to see this on HN as a daily Live 2 user. Ive been using an Akai S1100 sampler from 1991 recently, I'm a millennial who grew up with DOS and floppy so not totally foreign but it's been fun exploring floppy, Syquest SCSI 44mb drives, CD caddys, and hunting down old manuals to find the special combination of keys to get into hardware diagnostics mode. Plenty for nerds to get technical enjoyment in music.