> That's not what I'm talking about! Okay, but when people are complaining about fines in this cases and similar cases, that is what they're talking about. Yo

> That's not what I'm talking about! Okay, but when people are complaining about fines in this cases and similar cases, that is what they're talking about. You can take a fine detail and make an argument out of it, but it's not a point anyone else cares about.