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It will be very interesting to see the responses of WhatsApp and Apple if this moves forward. Do their commitments to E2EE mean anything or not. Will iMessage a
by ls612 2y ago
It will be very interesting to see the responses of WhatsApp and Apple if this moves forward. Do their commitments to E2EE mean anything or not. Will iMessage and WhatsApp leave the EU or not. That would be extremely telling as to the actual quality of the security guarantees they purport to provide.
- dankai 2y agoWouldn't client side scanning prior to E2EE circumvent this issue? If WhatsApp or iMessage scan your messages on device it doesn't really matter if they are then encrypted during transmission.
- nicce 2y agoThe end-result is the same. There is no security if someone is snooping over your shoulder.
- pavon 2y agoApple is easy - they had already implemented this voluntarily until they got pushback, and decided against rolling it out.
- ls612 2y agoThey decisively said “this was a bad idea” and disavowed the effort.
- sureIy 2y agoThings change, especially when the Gov says they must. It’s already been a few years. Given the “Apple in China” precedent I wouldn’t be so optimistic.
- nicce 2y agoTheir argument was that ”with this you don’t need to ban encryption”, and they tried to prevent that regulation. Look what we got… I am sure that no single implementation is as sophisticated as Apple had.
- ls612 2y agoMy understanding is that Apple openly declares they have the same encryption standards in China, and that iCloud Advanced Data Protection was one of the things that started getting them on China’s “naughty list” again.