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EU continues its descent into an authoritarian surveillance state. I hope all the EU netizens wake up and realize how much more control the EU has been exerting

EU continues its descent into an authoritarian surveillance state. I hope all the EU netizens wake up and realize how much more control the EU has been exerting over its citizens since the pandemic.

gpvos 2y ago
It hasn't, apart from this Chat Control.
- throwawayfear 2y ago
  Covid restrictions were significantly worse in the EU than USA, your government locked you all down and made it clear that they decide who works and who doesn’t. To be clear, the USA has some awful cities with those types of ideas too but it was far more rare. EU, Canada, and Australia showed they are teetering towards authoritarian surveillance states more than they are democracy. The more people put their head in the sand and justify these actions with the talking points they receive from the overlords, the more the water starts to boil.
  - kalleboo 2y ago
    Sweden is in the EU and didn't really lock down?
  - gpvos 2y ago
    You're entitled to your opinion, but I think those were basic public health measures, fully justified. They ended when no longer needed.
    - zx10rse 2y ago
      Next time you want to stay home destroy economics and life of millions of people please don't drag us with you -[1] "lockdowns have had little to no effect on COVID-19 mortality" "The price tag of lockdowns in terms of public health is high: by using the known connection between health and wealth, we estimate that lockdowns may claim 20 times more life years than they save." "Numerous deaths can be attributed to the interruption of normal social life and routine regular social interactions. The direct factors are [25,26]: increased mortality due to postponement of diagnoses and routine treatments increase in mortality due to non-arrival at hospitals increase in mortality due to a decrease in the level of income and as a result—use of less safe cars, reduction in the scope of physical activity, etc. “deaths of despair” caused by drugs, alcohol, and suicide following loss of social-economic status increase in violence, including domestic violence; dismantling of families severe health damage to the elderly in particular—physical and mental deterioration (usually irreversible) due to loneliness, lack of movement, and routine supportive care." [1] - Are Lockdowns Effective in Managing Pandemics? - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9368251/#:~:text=Later%20research%20(January%202022)%20performed,side%20effect%20of%20increasing%20mortality https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9368251/#:~:tex....
  - janice1999 2y ago
    You fundamentally misunderstand the EU if you think any EU organization has the power to force lockdowns on individual countries.
    - gpvos 2y ago
      Good point. The EU was barely a factor in that, if at all.
- anonzzzies 2y ago
  Which even hasn’t happened yet, but yes, bit too close for comfort.
- sunaookami 2y ago
  Have you looked at the DSA? The EU can just say "we have an emergency" and gets to directly control the narrative on major online plattforms. https://dsa-observatory.eu/2023/02/21/the-dsas-crisis-approach-crisis-response-mechanism-and-crisis-protocols/ https://dsa-observatory.eu/2023/02/21/the-dsas-crisis-approa... Not to mention that under the DSA plattforms have to delete "misinformation" in a short time span, whatever that is.
  - gpvos 2y ago
    True, there are some troublesome aspects to that one.

EU continues its descent into an authoritarian surveillance state. I hope all the EU netizens wake up and realize how much more control the EU has been exerting over its citizens since the pandemic.

gpvos 2y ago

It hasn't, apart from this Chat Control.

throwawayfear 2y ago
Covid restrictions were significantly worse in the EU than USA, your government locked you all down and made it clear that they decide who works and who doesn’t. To be clear, the USA has some awful cities with those types of ideas too but it was far more rare. EU, Canada, and Australia showed they are teetering towards authoritarian surveillance states more than they are democracy. The more people put their head in the sand and justify these actions with the talking points they receive from the overlords, the more the water starts to boil.
- kalleboo 2y ago
  Sweden is in the EU and didn't really lock down?
- gpvos 2y ago
  You're entitled to your opinion, but I think those were basic public health measures, fully justified. They ended when no longer needed.
  - zx10rse 2y ago
    Next time you want to stay home destroy economics and life of millions of people please don't drag us with you -[1] "lockdowns have had little to no effect on COVID-19 mortality" "The price tag of lockdowns in terms of public health is high: by using the known connection between health and wealth, we estimate that lockdowns may claim 20 times more life years than they save." "Numerous deaths can be attributed to the interruption of normal social life and routine regular social interactions. The direct factors are [25,26]: increased mortality due to postponement of diagnoses and routine treatments increase in mortality due to non-arrival at hospitals increase in mortality due to a decrease in the level of income and as a result—use of less safe cars, reduction in the scope of physical activity, etc. “deaths of despair” caused by drugs, alcohol, and suicide following loss of social-economic status increase in violence, including domestic violence; dismantling of families severe health damage to the elderly in particular—physical and mental deterioration (usually irreversible) due to loneliness, lack of movement, and routine supportive care." [1] - Are Lockdowns Effective in Managing Pandemics? - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9368251/#:~:text=Later%20research%20(January%202022)%20performed,side%20effect%20of%20increasing%20mortality https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9368251/#:~:tex....
- janice1999 2y ago
  You fundamentally misunderstand the EU if you think any EU organization has the power to force lockdowns on individual countries.
  - gpvos 2y ago
    Good point. The EU was barely a factor in that, if at all.
anonzzzies 2y ago
Which even hasn’t happened yet, but yes, bit too close for comfort.
sunaookami 2y ago
Have you looked at the DSA? The EU can just say "we have an emergency" and gets to directly control the narrative on major online plattforms. https://dsa-observatory.eu/2023/02/21/the-dsas-crisis-approach-crisis-response-mechanism-and-crisis-protocols/ https://dsa-observatory.eu/2023/02/21/the-dsas-crisis-approa... Not to mention that under the DSA plattforms have to delete "misinformation" in a short time span, whatever that is.
- gpvos 2y ago
  True, there are some troublesome aspects to that one.