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I already kicked up a shit here in NL together with a few other well connected people (with success) but it's a little frustrating that there's little more to d

I already kicked up a shit here in NL together with a few other well connected people (with success) but it's a little frustrating that there's little more to do other than hope that nerds in other EU countries can make a difference.

Kim_Bruning 2y ago
Would it help if more Netherlanders made some noise, or is there really no further action possible?
- radicalbyte 2y ago
  Thankfully some key people in the civil service understand the dangers extremely well & listen to the advice of the same voices we listen to :) It's really disappointing that Sweden are behind this as they have some extremely talented people only they aren't being listened to.
contravariant 2y ago
Looks like the Netherlands is already opposed, for what good that will do. Any useful links to share with people?
- margana 2y ago
  For any regulation or directive to pass, it needs to pass both the Parliament and the Council. Passing the Council means it needs unanimous approval from every member country. I don't see what "blocking majority" the article refers to, one country should be enough. Unless they mean stop it even before it reaches a Council vote, in which case that might be true.
  - KoolKat23 2y ago
    It's a council of the EU vote (as apposed to an EU council vote, different council). Within certain treaties (in this case the Lisbon treaty), certain matters only need a qualified majority (>55% of countries, 15 approximately, and to represent>65% of EU population).
risson 2y ago
What would you suggest to citizens from other member states (France in my case) to do to sway representatives against this?
- radicalbyte 2y ago
  Call your representatives and try to get into contact with the key civil servants involved. Then explain the problem to them. Just an honest argument. I mean a lot of us have kids and want to protect them. Totally agree with the concept. Only this isn't something which can be solved by technical measures without abandoning "Liberté, égalité, fraternité". This is something for China/Russia/Iran/North Korea/England, not France.
- bfelbo 2y ago
  Calling is great. You can also send an email. If they get a barrage of emails, it might help wake them up. I sent something I composed myself, but this template looks good if you need inspiration. https://nextcloud.pp-eu.eu/index.php/s/cwyRic7cC5zcfHk?dir=undefined&path=%2FE-Mails&openfile=326103 https://nextcloud.pp-eu.eu/index.php/s/cwyRic7cC5zcfHk?dir=u...
BigJ1211 2y ago
Thank you for that, I was glad to see NL on the list of against!

Kim_Bruning 2y ago

Would it help if more Netherlanders made some noise, or is there really no further action possible?

radicalbyte 2y ago
Thankfully some key people in the civil service understand the dangers extremely well & listen to the advice of the same voices we listen to :) It's really disappointing that Sweden are behind this as they have some extremely talented people only they aren't being listened to.

contravariant 2y ago

Looks like the Netherlands is already opposed, for what good that will do. Any useful links to share with people?

margana 2y ago
For any regulation or directive to pass, it needs to pass both the Parliament and the Council. Passing the Council means it needs unanimous approval from every member country. I don't see what "blocking majority" the article refers to, one country should be enough. Unless they mean stop it even before it reaches a Council vote, in which case that might be true.
- KoolKat23 2y ago
  It's a council of the EU vote (as apposed to an EU council vote, different council). Within certain treaties (in this case the Lisbon treaty), certain matters only need a qualified majority (>55% of countries, 15 approximately, and to represent>65% of EU population).

risson 2y ago

What would you suggest to citizens from other member states (France in my case) to do to sway representatives against this?

radicalbyte 2y ago
Call your representatives and try to get into contact with the key civil servants involved. Then explain the problem to them. Just an honest argument. I mean a lot of us have kids and want to protect them. Totally agree with the concept. Only this isn't something which can be solved by technical measures without abandoning "Liberté, égalité, fraternité". This is something for China/Russia/Iran/North Korea/England, not France.
bfelbo 2y ago
Calling is great. You can also send an email. If they get a barrage of emails, it might help wake them up. I sent something I composed myself, but this template looks good if you need inspiration. https://nextcloud.pp-eu.eu/index.php/s/cwyRic7cC5zcfHk?dir=undefined&path=%2FE-Mails&openfile=326103 https://nextcloud.pp-eu.eu/index.php/s/cwyRic7cC5zcfHk?dir=u...

BigJ1211 2y ago

Thank you for that, I was glad to see NL on the list of against!