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EU is, and always was, a compensation job for failed national politicians at their respective national levels. It's the trade horse for allowing your party budd

by belter 2y ago

EU is, and always was, a compensation job for failed national politicians at their respective national levels. It's the trade horse for allowing your party buddies to take over the government jobs. EU politicians should keep their over inflated salaries, and stick to what they are good at. Meeting with Google and Microsoft lobbyists at the best Brussels luxury restaurants.

lxgr 2y ago
> Meeting with Google and Microsoft lobbyists at the best Brussels luxury restaurants. Are you talking about the same EU that just passed the DMA? That must have been some really nasty food poisoning then!
- Wytwwww 2y ago
  At least far as it comes to privacy Apple and even FB, MS and Google to an extent share the same interests as their users, unlike the EU bureaucrats who just seem to be salty because they are unable to exert control over society and justify their existence (they might pass some decent policies while they are it that's just mostly a coincident..). If Chat Control goes ahead long-term that will outweigh any benefits DMA might have.
- shortsunblack 2y ago
  DMA, like any other regulation that preceded it, was severely lobbied down. It happened in spite of EU. There is too great of a democratic consensus for it to be completely ignored. Do not get this wrong.
- matricaria 2y ago
  Are they even enforcing DMA? My WhatsApp still doesn’t have Third Party Chats.
  - WhyNotHugo 2y ago
    I wouldn't expect it to any time soon either. They'll likely find a way to maliciously comply. My bet is that they'll only allow "Trusted Partners" to interact with their network, and you'll need to sign a contract with one of these partners to connect to WhatsApp. This contract will have pretty much the same terms as signing up with Meta directly.
anigbrowl 2y ago
EU was established to provide mutual economic and military security in Europe on a federal model following WW2, and it's done very well in that aim. Of course it's not perfect, but shallow takes like the one above provide nothing of value.
- marcinzm 2y ago
  > military security Wasn't that NATO (aka mostly the US)?
  - nielsole 2y ago
    Treaty on European union 42.7 If a Member State is the victim of armed aggression on its territory, the other Member States shall have towards it an obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power, in accordance with Article 51 of the United Nations Charter. This shall not prejudice the specific character of the security and defence policy of certain Member States. Commitments and cooperation in this area shall be consistent with commitments under the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation, which, for those States which are members of it, remains the foundation of their collective defence and the forum for its implementation.
  - magicalhippo 2y ago
    There's also the point that countries with close economic ties have more to lose by going to war with each other.
    - sham1 2y ago
      It's a necessary component of this sort of idea, but clearly it's not sufficient. I mean, we have had Russia in war with Ukraine for about a decade now, beginning at the annexation of Crimea, even though they had fairly good trade relations, even if they were hurt once Maidan happened. I think that one needs strong economic ties, but it seems to only truly work with democratic societies.
    - account42 2y ago
      A point fully disproven by Putin by now.
seydor 2y ago
> and stick to what they are good at. No they should be kept accountable for their actions and the money they waste. Currently there is no mechanism for that, but i m sure hordes of them would quit if we made one
Lightkey 2y ago
First: nothing against a polemic comment against politicians but in this case, the proposal is coming from the council, which is made of national politicians and this news was written by a EU politician (Patrick Breyer of the Pirate Party Germany), so maybe a bit misplaced.

by belter 2y ago

lxgr 2y ago

> Meeting with Google and Microsoft lobbyists at the best Brussels luxury restaurants. Are you talking about the same EU that just passed the DMA? That must have been some really nasty food poisoning then!

Wytwwww 2y ago
At least far as it comes to privacy Apple and even FB, MS and Google to an extent share the same interests as their users, unlike the EU bureaucrats who just seem to be salty because they are unable to exert control over society and justify their existence (they might pass some decent policies while they are it that's just mostly a coincident..). If Chat Control goes ahead long-term that will outweigh any benefits DMA might have.
shortsunblack 2y ago
DMA, like any other regulation that preceded it, was severely lobbied down. It happened in spite of EU. There is too great of a democratic consensus for it to be completely ignored. Do not get this wrong.
matricaria 2y ago
Are they even enforcing DMA? My WhatsApp still doesn’t have Third Party Chats.
- WhyNotHugo 2y ago
  I wouldn't expect it to any time soon either. They'll likely find a way to maliciously comply. My bet is that they'll only allow "Trusted Partners" to interact with their network, and you'll need to sign a contract with one of these partners to connect to WhatsApp. This contract will have pretty much the same terms as signing up with Meta directly.

anigbrowl 2y ago

EU was established to provide mutual economic and military security in Europe on a federal model following WW2, and it's done very well in that aim. Of course it's not perfect, but shallow takes like the one above provide nothing of value.

marcinzm 2y ago
> military security Wasn't that NATO (aka mostly the US)?
- nielsole 2y ago
  Treaty on European union 42.7 If a Member State is the victim of armed aggression on its territory, the other Member States shall have towards it an obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power, in accordance with Article 51 of the United Nations Charter. This shall not prejudice the specific character of the security and defence policy of certain Member States. Commitments and cooperation in this area shall be consistent with commitments under the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation, which, for those States which are members of it, remains the foundation of their collective defence and the forum for its implementation.
- magicalhippo 2y ago
  There's also the point that countries with close economic ties have more to lose by going to war with each other.
  - sham1 2y ago
    It's a necessary component of this sort of idea, but clearly it's not sufficient. I mean, we have had Russia in war with Ukraine for about a decade now, beginning at the annexation of Crimea, even though they had fairly good trade relations, even if they were hurt once Maidan happened. I think that one needs strong economic ties, but it seems to only truly work with democratic societies.
  - account42 2y ago
    A point fully disproven by Putin by now.

seydor 2y ago

> and stick to what they are good at. No they should be kept accountable for their actions and the money they waste. Currently there is no mechanism for that, but i m sure hordes of them would quit if we made one

Lightkey 2y ago

First: nothing against a polemic comment against politicians but in this case, the proposal is coming from the council, which is made of national politicians and this news was written by a EU politician (Patrick Breyer of the Pirate Party Germany), so maybe a bit misplaced.