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Are there any efforts to push functionality like this into the HTML standard? It would be nice if htmx eventually became unnecessary as browsers implemented it,

Are there any efforts to push functionality like this into the HTML standard? It would be nice if htmx eventually became unnecessary as browsers implemented it, and the work you're doing with proving it out in the wild seems like a crucial part of that.

recursivedoubts 2y ago
yes, there are, alex petros, an htmx maintainer, gave a talk at Big Sky Dev Con on the shortest path to htmx-like functionality in HTML here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inRB6ull5WQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inRB6ull5WQ we are talking w/the chrome developers about these ideas, i'm cautiously optimistic
- Alifatisk 2y ago
  > we are talking w/the chrome developers about these ideas I hope this does not become a chrome-only feature in that case
  - recursivedoubts 2y ago
    agreed, but the chrome team is in communication w/the other browser makers and often drives new standards (e.g. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/View_Transitions_API https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/View_Transi...) their latest features have started leaning into improving the hypermedia infrastructure of the web so i'm optimistic
- asimops 2y ago
  Do you also plan on talking with the Mozilla people? And with Apple? Or will this be a kind of big daddy Google knows what's best for you, ads included?
  - recursivedoubts 2y ago
    I don't have contacts in those groups, but chrome is in contact w/them and has pushed forward hypermedia-friendly features e.g. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/View_Transitions_API https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/View_Transi... i have told my chrome team contacts about bugs in other browsers (e.g. safari not properly updating completion results when datalist elements are replaced asynchronously) and they have communicated these issues to those teams and gotten them fixed if anyone reading this from other browser teams is interested in getting in contact w/me they can email me at carson at bigsky dot software
niutech 2y ago
HTML already allows a lot of HTMX functionality with just 166 bytes of JS glue code, see HTMZ: https://leanrada.com/htmz https://leanrada.com/htmz You can make tabs, accordions, carousels, modals, popovers and even Pure HTML Out-Of-Order Streaming (PHOOOS) using only HTML & CSS: https://kodus.pl https://kodus.pl
- recursivedoubts 2y ago
  yep, it's an interesting idea we are planning on implementing a minimalist version of alex's ideas from "The Birth & Death of htmx" talk as a POC for people to look at too.
  - formo 2y ago
    Please do.

recursivedoubts 2y ago

yes, there are, alex petros, an htmx maintainer, gave a talk at Big Sky Dev Con on the shortest path to htmx-like functionality in HTML here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inRB6ull5WQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inRB6ull5WQ we are talking w/the chrome developers about these ideas, i'm cautiously optimistic

Alifatisk 2y ago
> we are talking w/the chrome developers about these ideas I hope this does not become a chrome-only feature in that case
- recursivedoubts 2y ago
  agreed, but the chrome team is in communication w/the other browser makers and often drives new standards (e.g. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/View_Transitions_API https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/View_Transi...) their latest features have started leaning into improving the hypermedia infrastructure of the web so i'm optimistic
asimops 2y ago
Do you also plan on talking with the Mozilla people? And with Apple? Or will this be a kind of big daddy Google knows what's best for you, ads included?
- recursivedoubts 2y ago
  I don't have contacts in those groups, but chrome is in contact w/them and has pushed forward hypermedia-friendly features e.g. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/View_Transitions_API https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/View_Transi... i have told my chrome team contacts about bugs in other browsers (e.g. safari not properly updating completion results when datalist elements are replaced asynchronously) and they have communicated these issues to those teams and gotten them fixed if anyone reading this from other browser teams is interested in getting in contact w/me they can email me at carson at bigsky dot software

niutech 2y ago

HTML already allows a lot of HTMX functionality with just 166 bytes of JS glue code, see HTMZ: https://leanrada.com/htmz https://leanrada.com/htmz You can make tabs, accordions, carousels, modals, popovers and even Pure HTML Out-Of-Order Streaming (PHOOOS) using only HTML & CSS: https://kodus.pl https://kodus.pl

recursivedoubts 2y ago
yep, it's an interesting idea we are planning on implementing a minimalist version of alex's ideas from "The Birth & Death of htmx" talk as a POC for people to look at too.
- formo 2y ago
  Please do.