4 ms·

I know you're sharp enough to pick up on imperfect analogies; picking mine apart doesn't really change the overall point. And the impact doesn't have to be fisc

I know you're sharp enough to pick up on imperfect analogies; picking mine apart doesn't really change the overall point. And the impact doesn't have to be fiscal, and I know you know this too. The public good intended by the quotas doesn't go away because more people suddenly want a pill that makes them instantly feel better and more productive. Increasing caps just because demand increases is the wrong action to take. Taking legal action against entities responsible for massive over-prescription of controlled substances is a step in the right direction.

gruez 2y ago
>Increasing caps just because demand increases is the wrong action to take. Taking legal action against entities responsible for massive over-prescription of controlled substances is a step in the right direction. No, increasing caps is the right action to take because it makes no sense to subject legitimate users to grief (ie. jumping through hoops to obtain their supply and/or to go without it) in a misguided attempt to reduce abuse. By all means go after the people who are prescribing it incorrectly, but punishing legitimate and illegitimate users alike makes no sense, and that's what keeping the quotas the same does.
- mpalmer 2y ago
  To repeat > The public good intended by the quotas doesn't go away because more people suddenly want a pill that makes them instantly feel better and more productive And how do you account for the tons of raw material that manufacturers had on hand months into the shortage?
  - gruez 2y ago
    > The public good intended by the quotas doesn't go away because more people suddenly want a pill that makes them instantly feel better and more productive Just to be clear you're claiming it's better to have a shortage (which affects both legitimate and illegitimate users) than to increase the quota and allow more illegitimate users to get their hands on the drugs? >And how do you account for the tons of raw material that manufacturers had on hand months into the shortage? https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/adderall-shortage-adhd-medication-ascent-pharmaceuticals.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/adderall-shortage-ad...
    - mpalmer 2y ago
      LOL. Did you find that article from the comment I posted 30m ago? Ascent represents just 12% of manufacturing volume - as stated in the article. Manufacturers collectively had about 35 tons of raw material at the end of 2022, not just Ascent. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2023-02-28/are-adderall-dea-quotas-contributing-to-the-shortage https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2023-02-28/are-ad... Also, manufacturers are not required to disclose the reasons why medication supply is exhausted. Your arguments indicate that you are searching for evidence that fits your conclusion. at the end of the day, people who don't need this drug are more likely to abuse it and die from abusing it. So yes, despite your sarcastic question, it is the lesser of two evils to limit supply.
      - gruez 2y ago
        >LOL. Did you find that article from the comment I posted 30m ago? No? It was in my browsing history months before. >Manufacturers collectively had about 35 tons of raw material at the end of 2022, not just Ascent. The point is that raw materials quotas isn't the only way that government regulations can gum up the works. >Your arguments indicate that you are searching for evidence that fits your conclusion. As opposed to what you're doing? >at the end of the day, people who don't need this drug are more likely to abuse it and die from abusing it. So yes, despite your sarcastic question, it is the lesser of two evils to limit supply. You'd need to consume a ridiculous amount to die from it, and pharmacies is probably the worst way of getting your hands on stimulants for high dosages. It's overpriced, you have to jump through a bunch of hoops to get a perscription, and your usage is strictly monitored by the DEA, so if you do decide to abuse it by taking an absurd amount, you'd have to wait for weeks for your next hit. Moreover, is this theory supported by evidence? Have we seen more adderall (or similar stimulant) deaths in the past few years? There's no shortage of sob stories on every media outlet[1] about some legitimate ADHD sufferer who's affected by the adderall shortage. Where are the sob stories about people who were wrongly prescribed adderall and overdosed as a result? [1] eg. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/02/18/1157832613/adderall-shortage-forces-some-patients-to-scramble-ration-or-go-without https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/02/18/1157832...

gruez 2y ago

>Increasing caps just because demand increases is the wrong action to take. Taking legal action against entities responsible for massive over-prescription of controlled substances is a step in the right direction. No, increasing caps is the right action to take because it makes no sense to subject legitimate users to grief (ie. jumping through hoops to obtain their supply and/or to go without it) in a misguided attempt to reduce abuse. By all means go after the people who are prescribing it incorrectly, but punishing legitimate and illegitimate users alike makes no sense, and that's what keeping the quotas the same does.

mpalmer 2y ago
To repeat > The public good intended by the quotas doesn't go away because more people suddenly want a pill that makes them instantly feel better and more productive And how do you account for the tons of raw material that manufacturers had on hand months into the shortage?
- gruez 2y ago
  > The public good intended by the quotas doesn't go away because more people suddenly want a pill that makes them instantly feel better and more productive Just to be clear you're claiming it's better to have a shortage (which affects both legitimate and illegitimate users) than to increase the quota and allow more illegitimate users to get their hands on the drugs? >And how do you account for the tons of raw material that manufacturers had on hand months into the shortage? https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/adderall-shortage-adhd-medication-ascent-pharmaceuticals.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/adderall-shortage-ad...
  - mpalmer 2y ago
    LOL. Did you find that article from the comment I posted 30m ago? Ascent represents just 12% of manufacturing volume - as stated in the article. Manufacturers collectively had about 35 tons of raw material at the end of 2022, not just Ascent. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2023-02-28/are-adderall-dea-quotas-contributing-to-the-shortage https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2023-02-28/are-ad... Also, manufacturers are not required to disclose the reasons why medication supply is exhausted. Your arguments indicate that you are searching for evidence that fits your conclusion. at the end of the day, people who don't need this drug are more likely to abuse it and die from abusing it. So yes, despite your sarcastic question, it is the lesser of two evils to limit supply.
    - gruez 2y ago
      >LOL. Did you find that article from the comment I posted 30m ago? No? It was in my browsing history months before. >Manufacturers collectively had about 35 tons of raw material at the end of 2022, not just Ascent. The point is that raw materials quotas isn't the only way that government regulations can gum up the works. >Your arguments indicate that you are searching for evidence that fits your conclusion. As opposed to what you're doing? >at the end of the day, people who don't need this drug are more likely to abuse it and die from abusing it. So yes, despite your sarcastic question, it is the lesser of two evils to limit supply. You'd need to consume a ridiculous amount to die from it, and pharmacies is probably the worst way of getting your hands on stimulants for high dosages. It's overpriced, you have to jump through a bunch of hoops to get a perscription, and your usage is strictly monitored by the DEA, so if you do decide to abuse it by taking an absurd amount, you'd have to wait for weeks for your next hit. Moreover, is this theory supported by evidence? Have we seen more adderall (or similar stimulant) deaths in the past few years? There's no shortage of sob stories on every media outlet[1] about some legitimate ADHD sufferer who's affected by the adderall shortage. Where are the sob stories about people who were wrongly prescribed adderall and overdosed as a result? [1] eg. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/02/18/1157832613/adderall-shortage-forces-some-patients-to-scramble-ration-or-go-without https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/02/18/1157832...