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I'll be a naysayer. This is not in production environment. We don't know how big these batteries can be, what temperature they can operate at, how much they c

I'll be a naysayer. This is not in production environment. We don't know how big these batteries can be, what temperature they can operate at, how much they cost to produce, if they can even be mass produced, what their output could be, etc... Every week we have a claim like this one made by some reporter.

adtac 2y ago
virtually every battery technology in existence today got created in a non-production environment a less blunt critique would've specifically identified why this breakthrough is similar to the last one that didn't make it past the lab surely there's a large enough sample set of past failures to choose from since there are claims like this every week
tootie 2y ago
The fact this report is coming from a commercial enterprise and not a university is pretty encouraging. Obviously it could still just be PR, but they likely wouldn't be touting this unless they expected to bring it to mass production.
- _nist 2y ago
  Companies lie and exaggerate all the time. It's called PR. It makes no difference whether it comes from a company or university, but companies have much more incentive to lie than universities, especially in technical fields, because they don't have to subject their claims to peer review unlike universities.
  - kube-system 2y ago
    I don't think anyone is accusing academics of lying -- academics are just more likely to announce things no industrial relevance. Because industrial relevance is not required for academic relevance.
    - _nist 2y ago
      It depends on what you mean by "more likely to announce things with no industrial relevance". If we are including humanities, then yes. If we exclude humanities, then no. Nearly all current STEM advancements can be traced back to early university work because industries normally do not pay for R&D because of its high risk, low reward effort. Not to mention, it's a money sink. Even current AI models come straight from university work, intermixed with private industry who often apply these concepts and scale them, but aren't the idea originators.
      - kube-system 2y ago
        > Nearly all current STEM advancements can be traced back to early university work because industries normally do not pay for R&D because of its high risk, low reward effort. Yes. But not the converse.
- layer8 2y ago
  Why not read the article? “Kevin Shang, senior research analyst at Wood Mackenzie, a data and analytics firm, said that “unfavorable mechanical properties,” as well as the difficulty and cost of mass production, are challenges for moving the application of solid-state oxide-based batteries into smartphones.” “The group plans to start shipping samples of its new battery prototype to clients from next year and hopes to be able to move into mass production after that.” So they don’t know yet if they’ll be able to pull off mass production, and it’ll be at least a couple years off.
bawolff 2y ago
Its mostly just people getting too excited (including PR departments). Breakthroughs like these are an important step. They are not nothing but they are not the end of the journey either.

adtac 2y ago

virtually every battery technology in existence today got created in a non-production environment a less blunt critique would've specifically identified why this breakthrough is similar to the last one that didn't make it past the lab surely there's a large enough sample set of past failures to choose from since there are claims like this every week

tootie 2y ago

The fact this report is coming from a commercial enterprise and not a university is pretty encouraging. Obviously it could still just be PR, but they likely wouldn't be touting this unless they expected to bring it to mass production.

_nist 2y ago
Companies lie and exaggerate all the time. It's called PR. It makes no difference whether it comes from a company or university, but companies have much more incentive to lie than universities, especially in technical fields, because they don't have to subject their claims to peer review unlike universities.
- kube-system 2y ago
  I don't think anyone is accusing academics of lying -- academics are just more likely to announce things no industrial relevance. Because industrial relevance is not required for academic relevance.
  - _nist 2y ago
    It depends on what you mean by "more likely to announce things with no industrial relevance". If we are including humanities, then yes. If we exclude humanities, then no. Nearly all current STEM advancements can be traced back to early university work because industries normally do not pay for R&D because of its high risk, low reward effort. Not to mention, it's a money sink. Even current AI models come straight from university work, intermixed with private industry who often apply these concepts and scale them, but aren't the idea originators.
    - kube-system 2y ago
      > Nearly all current STEM advancements can be traced back to early university work because industries normally do not pay for R&D because of its high risk, low reward effort. Yes. But not the converse.
layer8 2y ago
Why not read the article? “Kevin Shang, senior research analyst at Wood Mackenzie, a data and analytics firm, said that “unfavorable mechanical properties,” as well as the difficulty and cost of mass production, are challenges for moving the application of solid-state oxide-based batteries into smartphones.” “The group plans to start shipping samples of its new battery prototype to clients from next year and hopes to be able to move into mass production after that.” So they don’t know yet if they’ll be able to pull off mass production, and it’ll be at least a couple years off.

bawolff 2y ago

Its mostly just people getting too excited (including PR departments). Breakthroughs like these are an important step. They are not nothing but they are not the end of the journey either.