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The problem is that that does not release you from your contractual obligation to pay every month. The company is still free to (and often does) send you to col

by teeray 2y ago

The problem is that that does not release you from your contractual obligation to pay every month. The company is still free to (and often does) send you to collections.

esotericimpl 2y ago
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dylan604 2y ago
That's fine with me. We can then let that "debt" linger until it is bought up by some company willing to settle for pennies on the dollar
- teeray 2y ago
  Meanwhile, you can’t get a mortgage or a car loan because your SiriusXM bill remains unpaid because you “fixed the glitch.”
  - dylan604 2y ago
    Sure, caveats are always included, but if you don't need a mortgage or a car loan, fuck 'em.
    - ryandrake 2y ago
      Not just a mortgage or car loan. Credit checks[1] are being used by landlords to decide whether or not to allow you to rent. They are being used by employers to decide whether or not to hire you. They are being used by utility companies and insurance companies to decide whether or not to do business with you. It's slowly getting to the point where a low credit score will bar you from participating in major areas of the economy. 1: https://www.experian.com/blogs/ask-experian/what-is-credit-check/ https://www.experian.com/blogs/ask-experian/what-is-credit-c...
      - antihipocrat 2y ago
        21st century debtor's prison. No walls, chains or guards required!
- judge2020 2y ago
  Then it ruins your credit, and technically the three bureaus disallow "pay for delete" agreements between consumers and debt collectors which would get it off of your report entirely (some still do it).
  - dylan604 2y ago
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  - DiggyJohnson 2y ago
    One outstanding charge won't tank your score.
guntars 2y ago
I'd argue that heavily lopsided TOS in favor of the company, that can be changed at any time by said company, and your access can be cut off unless you agree to the updated TOS, does not make a contractual obligation. In a B2C context, the business is the more sophisticated entity so it's up to them to make sure everyone knows what they are agreeing to. They could have put up a bold summary of "this is a yearly contract, you will be charged $79.99 to cancel, please type YEARLY CONTRACT in the box" somewhere in the signup flow. Had they done it, the case could be dismissed.
- EMIRELADERO 2y ago
  > Had they done it, the case could be dismissed. You mean this case? Why should that get it dismissed? This is about abusive (and unlawful) business practices, not a lack of knowledge on the consumer's end. If the customer had full knowledge of the terms before agreeing it would still be unlawful, the law generally doesn't care that the two parties consented to an abusive business relationship.
rightbyte 2y ago
You put the ball in their court. They have to do something to get your money, which you might contest or ignore. But ye it is not optimal. You'd probably want to have some record of trying to cancel.

by teeray 2y ago

The problem is that that does not release you from your contractual obligation to pay every month. The company is still free to (and often does) send you to collections.

esotericimpl 2y ago

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dylan604 2y ago

That's fine with me. We can then let that "debt" linger until it is bought up by some company willing to settle for pennies on the dollar

teeray 2y ago
Meanwhile, you can’t get a mortgage or a car loan because your SiriusXM bill remains unpaid because you “fixed the glitch.”
- dylan604 2y ago
  Sure, caveats are always included, but if you don't need a mortgage or a car loan, fuck 'em.
  - ryandrake 2y ago
    Not just a mortgage or car loan. Credit checks[1] are being used by landlords to decide whether or not to allow you to rent. They are being used by employers to decide whether or not to hire you. They are being used by utility companies and insurance companies to decide whether or not to do business with you. It's slowly getting to the point where a low credit score will bar you from participating in major areas of the economy. 1: https://www.experian.com/blogs/ask-experian/what-is-credit-check/ https://www.experian.com/blogs/ask-experian/what-is-credit-c...
    - antihipocrat 2y ago
      21st century debtor's prison. No walls, chains or guards required!
judge2020 2y ago
Then it ruins your credit, and technically the three bureaus disallow "pay for delete" agreements between consumers and debt collectors which would get it off of your report entirely (some still do it).
- dylan604 2y ago
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- DiggyJohnson 2y ago
  One outstanding charge won't tank your score.

guntars 2y ago

I'd argue that heavily lopsided TOS in favor of the company, that can be changed at any time by said company, and your access can be cut off unless you agree to the updated TOS, does not make a contractual obligation. In a B2C context, the business is the more sophisticated entity so it's up to them to make sure everyone knows what they are agreeing to. They could have put up a bold summary of "this is a yearly contract, you will be charged $79.99 to cancel, please type YEARLY CONTRACT in the box" somewhere in the signup flow. Had they done it, the case could be dismissed.

EMIRELADERO 2y ago
> Had they done it, the case could be dismissed. You mean this case? Why should that get it dismissed? This is about abusive (and unlawful) business practices, not a lack of knowledge on the consumer's end. If the customer had full knowledge of the terms before agreeing it would still be unlawful, the law generally doesn't care that the two parties consented to an abusive business relationship.

rightbyte 2y ago

You put the ball in their court. They have to do something to get your money, which you might contest or ignore. But ye it is not optimal. You'd probably want to have some record of trying to cancel.