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...aaaaand, I just took a gander over at VyOS. They really need to make it abundantly clear in their "how to build" documentation that unless you're a paying cu

...aaaaand, I just took a gander over at VyOS. They really need to make it abundantly clear in their "how to build" documentation that unless you're a paying customer or recognized contributor, you no longer can build an LTS release. That is not at all mentioned in the build instructions, and so there's no point in doing a local build [ETA: unless you're customizing the code] when the nightlies are available for download. I then looked at their subscription pricing and realized that individuals are not their market, not at all. So, yeah, if I want to run VyOS, I have to put up with rolling releases. :( https://blog.vyos.io/community-contributors-userbase-and-lts-builds https://blog.vyos.io/community-contributors-userbase-and-lts...

sofixa 2y ago
As a happy VyOS nightly user, They used to have donation options, where in exchange for a regular donation you get LTS releases, (via Patreon and OpenCollective) but both have been decommissioned. I'm not a huge fan of how that was done and how hard it is to find up to date information on that. Nightlies are pretty stable in my experience, and with the off-device backups, a full recovery will be relatively painless.
- flyinghamster 2y ago
  Thanks for the vote of confidence (and I can always throw VMs onto ZFS volumes), but I think I'll chalk it up as "I'm not its target market" and move on. Their documentation talks of snapshot releases and such, but there's absolutely no information on actually finding them. It doesn't give me a warm, fuzzy feeling. Bad actors have forced them to pull all the rugs except the nightlies, it seems.
  - sofixa 2y ago
    Yeah, no, there's just some old forum posts and blogs talking about stuff that no longer exists. (On this topic, I really like websites with automatic warnings "this was written X years ago, might no longer be true"). Your options are to use the nightlies (perfectly fine IMO), pay a lot for an enterprise LTS, or be a non-profit/education and get LTS for cheap/free.

sofixa 2y ago

As a happy VyOS nightly user, They used to have donation options, where in exchange for a regular donation you get LTS releases, (via Patreon and OpenCollective) but both have been decommissioned. I'm not a huge fan of how that was done and how hard it is to find up to date information on that. Nightlies are pretty stable in my experience, and with the off-device backups, a full recovery will be relatively painless.

flyinghamster 2y ago
Thanks for the vote of confidence (and I can always throw VMs onto ZFS volumes), but I think I'll chalk it up as "I'm not its target market" and move on. Their documentation talks of snapshot releases and such, but there's absolutely no information on actually finding them. It doesn't give me a warm, fuzzy feeling. Bad actors have forced them to pull all the rugs except the nightlies, it seems.
- sofixa 2y ago
  Yeah, no, there's just some old forum posts and blogs talking about stuff that no longer exists. (On this topic, I really like websites with automatic warnings "this was written X years ago, might no longer be true"). Your options are to use the nightlies (perfectly fine IMO), pay a lot for an enterprise LTS, or be a non-profit/education and get LTS for cheap/free.