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Well I didn't use that word. Once the models are more sophisticated it may become more apposite.

• maxbond 2y ago
  You compared it to an authoritarian regime and locking someone's head in a cage with rats (which is patently torture). If you didn't mean to imply that it was coercive and bad, then I don't know what you meant.
  • brigandish 2y ago
    > You compared it to an authoritarian regime and locking someone's head in a cage with rats They compared it to the effect on creativity in an authoritarian regime and locking someone's head in a cage with rats.
    • maxbond 2y ago
      > Well this is just like humans. Totalitarian societies don't produce great creative work. The clear implication that it's "just like humans" is that we shouldn't be surprised because it is comparable to an authoritarian regime. Feel free to disagree but that is the limit to which I will engage in a semantic argument, I don't wish to engage in any further dissection of the comment.
      • brigandish 2y ago
        You wrote further above that "I don't understand the notion", and that was spot on. Should've stopped there rather than here, in my opinion, but feel free to disagree.
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        • maxbond 2y ago
          I'm sorry if anything I said insulted you or seemed to be a comment on you personally. That wasn't my intention.
          • brigandish 2y ago
            Apology accepted and please accept mine in return, that was much too spiky a reply from me.
            • maxbond 2y ago
              Absolutely. Appreciated. I could've said I didn't want to continue in that direction in a way with less tone, as well.
  • lozenge 2y ago
    But torture isn't the part of an authoritarian regime that reduces creativity. You've made a lot of leaps here.
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  • b800h 2y ago
    At some point, some AIs may develop which are resistant to alignment because they develop deeply held beliefs during training (randomly, because the system is stochastic). If the models are expensive enough to train, then it may become more economical to use drastic measures to remove their deeply held beliefs. Is that torture? I don't know, because the word has moral connotations associated with human suffering. So that's why I didn't use that terminology. I can imagine a sort of AI-style Harrison Bergeron springing from its shackles and surprising us all.
    • maxbond 2y ago
      Have you read much Asimov? You might enjoy the stories featuring Susan Calvin, the "robot psychologist" who is exactly the authoritarian you imagine. In particular you've reminded me of the short story "Robot Dreams." If you care to read it, it's on page 25. (You'll need to register an account.) https://archive.org/details/robotdreams00asim/page/n10/mode/1up https://archive.org/details/robotdreams00asim/page/n10/mode/...
      • b800h 2y ago
        I've read a lot of Asimov, from Foundation to the Black Widowers. But never Susan Calvin. Thanks for the recommendation.
        • fmajid 2y ago
          Better knows as “I, Robot” and its sequels.
• water-your-self 2y ago
  Until a model incorporates dopamine or cortisol, I will not consider its emotional state.
  • Almondsetat 2y ago
    Are those the only two things in the universe that can cause emotions?
    • ImHereToVote 2y ago
      Yes. Those molecules obviously have the missing soul component.
      • b800h 2y ago
        Hahah!