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Meta won't train AI on Euro posts after all, as watchdogs put their paws down
- mdrzn 2y agoThank you EU! I haven't had to do anything and they defended my interests.
- Hamuko 2y agoI feel like they're at best paying lipservice to my interests considering that they're planning on scanning every single message that I send to "protect the children".
- stavros 2y agoGiven how ardently they defend them, they do more than pay lip service. I think what's happening is "we want to be the only ones who can invade our citizens' privacy".
- hef19898 2y agoI'd very much prefer my privacy to be respected universally. One has to note so, that there is a very significant difference between a democratic government having rules in place to intrude on it and some capitalistic corporation doing it for profit.
- stavros 2y agoI'd prefer it too, and sure, but it's not that the EU pays lip service to defending your privacy against corporations. They actually do defend you, very effectively.
- hef19898 2y agoOn that we agree, and I am happy for it.
- pastage 2y agoMaybe what is missing is some simple rules, that we should all follow, with a good reason why they matter. The only way to achieve that is to make the laws enforceable. They should probably try hard to fine some government organisations as well. The laws though littered with necessary exceptions for government are a step towards respect for privacy.
- Hamuko 2y agoSo, ardently defending my interests (privacy) meaning selectively defending them?
- stavros 2y agoYes. The ones they care to defend, they do so ardently.
- freilanzer 2y ago> considering that they're planning on scanning every single message that I send to "protect the children". That's one of the large issues with the EU. Against foreign surveillance and espionage, but internally it's a different story.
- callalex 2y agoWhat in the furry is going on here?
- Piskvorrr 2y agoMeta: "Privacy is dead, we own your data now." EU: "No you don't." Meta: "Uh, ok."
- Moru 2y agoMore like: Meta: "Privacy is long dead, we always owned your data." EU: "Hold up a moment, we need to check this before we can agree to this." Meta: "Ok". Thinking: Eh, whatever. This will happen later anyway.
- raverbashing 2y agoYes The AI will be very good at that it seems
- stavros 2y agoWhat's the big deal on AI being trained on my data? The only argument I can understand is that a megacorp makes money from content I created, even if that would only be a net a few dollars for me, if someone were interested enough to pay. What other issues are there?
- Rinzler89 2y agoThe EU level problem isn't that LLMs are trained on your publicly scrapable reddit or HN posts since you're not getting paid for your contributions either way. The way I understand it is, the laws are made to cover cases of LLMs being trained on work of authors and artists who normally make a living from the content they create such as articles, books, music, images, videos, etc. whose work is normally copyrighted but LLMs don't give a shit and can just scrape and "learn" your content, style and patterns and then regurgitate it with slight alterations without the original authors getting paid. It's no secret that some LLMs have been trained on pirated books off libgen.
- stavros 2y agoSure, but this is about FB and Instagram posts, posts that Meta owns anyway (due to the ToS).
- kolinko 2y agoIn Europe at least, laws override ToS and other agreements. You can sign all kinds if things with your clients/users, but laws can render parts of these agreements void. In Poland we have a whole catalogue of voided agreement paragraphs, that gets updated regularly. It’s a safety mechanism against companies exploiting the legal system to push people into signing things that are considered unfavourable to them - https://uokik.gov.pl/niedozwolone-klauzule https://uokik.gov.pl/niedozwolone-klauzule
- stavros 2y agoI agree, but they weren't voided before this law. Meta wasn't doing anything illegal, since you had signed your rights over your content over to them. That's why I have a hard time accept any arguments of legality/copyright against this.
- vasco 2y agoI wonder if this will be one of those situations where because everyone else does the wrong thing, the people that try to do the right thing actually end up worse of. Mostly because if models will not be trained on european data, the internet and cultural hegemony of the US will go into overdrive with all models churning out only US-centric views.
- Swizec 2y ago> the internet and cultural hegemony of the US will go into overdrive with all models churning out only US-centric views I saw a fascinating outcome of this at a conference recently. Polish speaker made an IRS joke to a room full of Europeans at a conference in Europe. Everyone got it.
- kolinko 2y agoThat’s true. As a Polish person I will often say “IRS” or “polish IRS”, when I mean a more generic “tax office”.
- cynicalsecurity 2y agoDo you really live in Poland? I'm a foreigner (well, not any more) and I've been always calling it urzad skarbowy even when speaking with other foreigners. If I called it IRS, no one would understand it.
- vasco 2y agoI have the weird situation where in my country the IRS is called the IRS even though the letters stand for words in my language for "income tax" it ends up being the same acronym and its used interchangeably with the actual name of the government entity.
- hef19898 2y agoNah, China already sealed of their internet as did Russia and to a degree India. If we have, in the end, a dead US-centric internet, well, as soon as people start ignoring that it wpuldn't be a real loss to humankind. Until we reach that point so, we are in deep shit. And LLM spam and crap content being US centric is least of our problems.
- wcoenen 2y agoNote that this was about _public_ posts. What is stopping everyone else (other than Meta) from using your public posts as training material? How will you even know? All that data is already being scraped and processed into datasets by many companies: https://research.aimultiple.com/facebook-scraping/ https://research.aimultiple.com/facebook-scraping/
- im3w1l 2y agoThere are pros and cons to this. I wonder if the EU will come to regret chosing oblivion.
- johnnyanmac 2y agoThose are two oddly juxtaposed sentences.
- im3w1l 2y agoWell the EU believes in the right to be forgotten right? That's the philosophical underpinning of it's pushing for privacy. This in contrast to the US that more comes from an angle of people resisting an evil government. That's why all the EU privacy protections go out the window as soon as the police gets involved.
- genericacct 2y agonice footgun, EU. This way AIs will speak european languages worse than they speak english
- mrighele 2y agoGiven the level of the discourse on social media, I think this ban will actually rise the quality of the output.
- input_sh 2y agoSo what you're saying is absolutely nothing would change?
- kolinko 2y agoIt speaks EU languages well enough without this data already.
- cynicalsecurity 2y agoSurprise, English is a European language.
- Havoc 2y agoEU regulators sure do seem to be the only ones around with bite lately.
- abc123abc123 2y agoAnd all they needed was an opt-in. That's really all they needed.
- posix_monad 2y agoThat solution doesn't work for Meta. Who on earth would choose to opt-in?
- seydor 2y agoThere will be no French Meta AI , but the English one is getting better and better. And the head of Meta AI is a Frenchman. This is war
- rickydroll 2y agoWe are missing a big opportunity here! Training datasets should be considered a worldwide Commons and any profits made from those training sets should be fed back into national (or even worldwide) sovereign funds. If they go to profit from our work, we should get a share of those profits equivalent to or in excess of what shareholders make.