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Is anyone surprised? Everybody and their mother has a script for Adderall in the tech industry (wider I’m sure). In the city I’m from it’s common industry knowl

by bradhe 2y ago

Is anyone surprised? Everybody and their mother has a script for Adderall in the tech industry (wider I’m sure). In the city I’m from it’s common industry knowledge which guys to go see for an easy prescription. I said this in another thread, but I predict overdiagnosis of ADHD (as a mechanism to get access to Adderall) will come to lights as one of the biggest scandals of our time.

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sureglymop 2y ago
As someone with pretty strong ADHD (who was extremely hyperactive as a kid) I truly cannot understand why anyone without ADHD would take these stimulants. They must want to torture themselves. Last I checked, ~5% of the population suffers from ADHD.
- kstrauser 2y ago
  You bet. Relatively convenient[0] access to online docs is literally a lifesaver to me. The medicine is best described as “tolerable”. It lets me function normally so it’s well worth the minor adverse reactions. Damned if I’d take it if I didn’t need it, though. [0]Mine requires regular video call checkins. As per law, we need to physically visit once a year or so. The original diagnostic visit was as thorough as I’d have expected from a traditional office visit. The main difference is that this doc was easy enough to book an appointment with that I could schedule one while dealing with ADHD. I might not have followed through if I had to wait 6 months and take an afternoon off to visit in person first.
- maximilianroos 2y ago
  I have the opposite reaction — I'm not surprised at all! The short-term benefits seem really high. And ADHD sits at one end of a normal distribution — lots of people suffer from elements of it, particularly when doing solitary work which requires lots of concentration.
- bun_terminator 2y ago
  I can't follow. It shoots your energy levels through the roof, makes even the hardest task a breeze and can be the difference between barely getting along and having a rockstar career
  - gfourfour 2y ago
    Diminishing returns on that though, and it comes at a cost to your physical and emotional health.
    - bun_terminator 2y ago
      Sure, but certainly not torture - going by how many people are using those drugs
  - callalex 2y ago
    Can you expand on what you mean by energy levels? The stuff put me in an intolerable zombie not-tired-not-awake state when I was prescribed it. I think the technical term is somnolence? It’s a very common problem for people who take the medication for ADHD instead of recreation.
    - a-saleh 2y ago
      This sounds like standard reaction to ADHD medication for someone that has ADHD, and usually point where you fiddle with the dose and release-mechanism with your psych, untill you get best results with fewest drawbacks, modulo pareto efficiency and all that. But if you managed to accomodate yourself to just be able to actually rest to a usable state ... more power to you, and I would like to hear more! I do have a feeling that if I exercised daily, and slept well for 8 hours every night ... I might not need that boost from those meds. But the meds do keep me more organized so that I am actually managing at least the sleep thing? Unless I take them too late? Trade-offs everywhere :D
  - RHSman2 2y ago
    I take Ritalin which is not the same. Dosing is subjective obviously but a lower dose has been a game changer for me. Super-powered now. But Adderall has significant downside right?
- anitil 2y ago
  What about the medication is torture? I'm not familiar with people's experience with them
  - viraptor 2y ago
    It's got a lot of very varied side effects. You'll find different people with very different answers, but then again for many it's still a better result than not taking it.
  - a-saleh 2y ago
    Roughly, based on my and other friends with ADHD medication compared to friends that I can't confirm or deny might have sampled from our prescriptions. Ritalin with ADHD: You get tired a.f. to the point of doubting if you got correct medication, because it was supposed to be stimulant but then you realise, that despite the feeling, you can actually just do stuff. You feel calm. You might experience the previously unfathomable "I hate doing this, but it needs to be done, so I might as well", without needing the stars to align, you just do it. After few hours this stops and you actually need to go lay down. Then you spent several months with your doctor getting the dose right, because needing to lie down after 4 hours is annoying Ritalin without ADHD: Feels like super-coffee: more energy, more optimism. But not more focus. Actually, maybe less focus? Might help you zoom around your house doing chores, but not really tackling any sort of deep thinking work. This matches experience of some acquaintance that went to a party, and might have sampled certain crystals, got quiet and tired while and while others were happy and energetic. For both - dosage is tricky, and it is easy to get you to spiral into anxiety. Also, it is not good for your heart.
    - RHSman2 2y ago
      Ritalin: ‘holy shit I just did some proper project management and it didn’t take a day of torture’
    - anitil 2y ago
      That's interesting, thanks for answering. I hadn't heard people describe the tiredness effect, I had assumed it would be the same as for non-ADHD people.
- ekms 2y ago
  I guess they take it for the same reason you do. The effects aren't really different in people with ADHD vs people without [0] > I cannot tell you how much literature there is trying to convince you that Adderall will not help healthy people, nor how consistently college students disprove every word of it every finals season. That makes “only give Adderall to people with ADHD” a moral judgment, not a medical one. Adderall doesn’t “cure” the “disease” of ADHD, at least not in the same way penicillin cures syphilis. Adderall will give everyone better concentration, and we’ve judged that it’s okay for people with terrible concentration to use it to overcome their handicap [0] https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/12/28/adderall-risks-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/12/28/adderall-risks-much-mo...
- pokerface_86 2y ago
  if you’re normal, stimulants make you feel like a god (at first). adrenaline and dopamine pumping through you, you feel on point and like you can take on the world.
- mewpmewp2 2y ago
  It gives me euphoria, motivation and confidence. How is that torture?
jart 2y ago
I predict people generations hence will look upon Adderall and Tech the same way those of us today look back upon Tea and the British Empire.

by bradhe 2y ago

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sureglymop 2y ago

As someone with pretty strong ADHD (who was extremely hyperactive as a kid) I truly cannot understand why anyone without ADHD would take these stimulants. They must want to torture themselves. Last I checked, ~5% of the population suffers from ADHD.

kstrauser 2y ago
You bet. Relatively convenient[0] access to online docs is literally a lifesaver to me. The medicine is best described as “tolerable”. It lets me function normally so it’s well worth the minor adverse reactions. Damned if I’d take it if I didn’t need it, though. [0]Mine requires regular video call checkins. As per law, we need to physically visit once a year or so. The original diagnostic visit was as thorough as I’d have expected from a traditional office visit. The main difference is that this doc was easy enough to book an appointment with that I could schedule one while dealing with ADHD. I might not have followed through if I had to wait 6 months and take an afternoon off to visit in person first.
maximilianroos 2y ago
I have the opposite reaction — I'm not surprised at all! The short-term benefits seem really high. And ADHD sits at one end of a normal distribution — lots of people suffer from elements of it, particularly when doing solitary work which requires lots of concentration.
bun_terminator 2y ago
I can't follow. It shoots your energy levels through the roof, makes even the hardest task a breeze and can be the difference between barely getting along and having a rockstar career
- gfourfour 2y ago
  Diminishing returns on that though, and it comes at a cost to your physical and emotional health.
  - bun_terminator 2y ago
    Sure, but certainly not torture - going by how many people are using those drugs
- callalex 2y ago
  Can you expand on what you mean by energy levels? The stuff put me in an intolerable zombie not-tired-not-awake state when I was prescribed it. I think the technical term is somnolence? It’s a very common problem for people who take the medication for ADHD instead of recreation.
  - a-saleh 2y ago
    This sounds like standard reaction to ADHD medication for someone that has ADHD, and usually point where you fiddle with the dose and release-mechanism with your psych, untill you get best results with fewest drawbacks, modulo pareto efficiency and all that. But if you managed to accomodate yourself to just be able to actually rest to a usable state ... more power to you, and I would like to hear more! I do have a feeling that if I exercised daily, and slept well for 8 hours every night ... I might not need that boost from those meds. But the meds do keep me more organized so that I am actually managing at least the sleep thing? Unless I take them too late? Trade-offs everywhere :D
- RHSman2 2y ago
  I take Ritalin which is not the same. Dosing is subjective obviously but a lower dose has been a game changer for me. Super-powered now. But Adderall has significant downside right?
anitil 2y ago
What about the medication is torture? I'm not familiar with people's experience with them
- viraptor 2y ago
  It's got a lot of very varied side effects. You'll find different people with very different answers, but then again for many it's still a better result than not taking it.
- a-saleh 2y ago
  Roughly, based on my and other friends with ADHD medication compared to friends that I can't confirm or deny might have sampled from our prescriptions. Ritalin with ADHD: You get tired a.f. to the point of doubting if you got correct medication, because it was supposed to be stimulant but then you realise, that despite the feeling, you can actually just do stuff. You feel calm. You might experience the previously unfathomable "I hate doing this, but it needs to be done, so I might as well", without needing the stars to align, you just do it. After few hours this stops and you actually need to go lay down. Then you spent several months with your doctor getting the dose right, because needing to lie down after 4 hours is annoying Ritalin without ADHD: Feels like super-coffee: more energy, more optimism. But not more focus. Actually, maybe less focus? Might help you zoom around your house doing chores, but not really tackling any sort of deep thinking work. This matches experience of some acquaintance that went to a party, and might have sampled certain crystals, got quiet and tired while and while others were happy and energetic. For both - dosage is tricky, and it is easy to get you to spiral into anxiety. Also, it is not good for your heart.
  - RHSman2 2y ago
    Ritalin: ‘holy shit I just did some proper project management and it didn’t take a day of torture’
  - anitil 2y ago
    That's interesting, thanks for answering. I hadn't heard people describe the tiredness effect, I had assumed it would be the same as for non-ADHD people.
ekms 2y ago
I guess they take it for the same reason you do. The effects aren't really different in people with ADHD vs people without [0] > I cannot tell you how much literature there is trying to convince you that Adderall will not help healthy people, nor how consistently college students disprove every word of it every finals season. That makes “only give Adderall to people with ADHD” a moral judgment, not a medical one. Adderall doesn’t “cure” the “disease” of ADHD, at least not in the same way penicillin cures syphilis. Adderall will give everyone better concentration, and we’ve judged that it’s okay for people with terrible concentration to use it to overcome their handicap [0] https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/12/28/adderall-risks-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/12/28/adderall-risks-much-mo...
pokerface_86 2y ago
if you’re normal, stimulants make you feel like a god (at first). adrenaline and dopamine pumping through you, you feel on point and like you can take on the world.
mewpmewp2 2y ago
It gives me euphoria, motivation and confidence. How is that torture?

jart 2y ago

I predict people generations hence will look upon Adderall and Tech the same way those of us today look back upon Tea and the British Empire.