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Your annoyance is a feature, not a bug. You are supposed to get annoyed enough as a group to lobby your government to fight the internal problem

nullifidian 2y ago
Ah, yes, the remaining English speakers in Russia will overthrow the literal millions of the silovik class whose entire job is to repress (with violence) any independent political activity. There is no "lobbying" in Russia, if you didn't know. If you hate all Russians just say you hate all Russians. No need for this "lobby your government" euphemistic BS.
- sqeaky 2y ago
  We in the west can't change your government to ban hacking requests. We can block whole countries and make a practical reduction in hacks. Sorry that you got caught in the middle and feel you have no options. Maybe someone who does have options and makes their money from non-hacking will be inconvenienced and ask for change instead.
- wredcoll 2y ago
  So political change in russia is literally impossible and everything will be exactly the same 50 years from now? Obviously not. Is such change easy? Again, obviously not, but the only way countries change is their own citizens wanting to make the change.
  - grishka 2y ago
    Oh we do want to make this change. Desperately. The only minor issue with that is that we lack any means to do so. I'll be sure to do my part as soon as the window of opportunity opens.
    - firesteelrain 2y ago
      Sure hope your govt is not monitoring your posts
    - brokenmachine 2y ago
      It's probably risky, but absolutely there's a means to do so. Be the change you want to see in the world. Change happens slowly at first, and then all at once.
      - grishka 2y ago
        No, there really isn't any means right now. Even peacefully protesting gets one arrested in minutes. It's not probably risky, it's risky with absolute certainty. I did participate in opposition activities that were 100% safe. I signed for Nadezhdin and voted for Davankov for example.
        brokenmachine 2y ago
        What you're saying is there's no 100% safe way, not that there is no way. Apparently desperately wanting change in Russia means desperately wanting someone else to change it for you, which perfectly aligns with the apathy the Russian population is infamous for. If Putin somehow became unable to provide the population with food for three days, or pay his security team, you'd all quickly discover what desperately means, and I'm confident the problem would resolve itself quickly. Your population's apathy has become the whole world's problem. pls fix.
        grishka 2y ago
        So what, exactly, is your suggestion? "Do something"?
        brokenmachine 2y ago
        Yes, precisely that.
        grishka 2y ago
        And nothing more concrete?
  - nullifidian 2y ago
    >So political change in russia is literally impossible Precisely. It's basically impossible. There has to be at least be a generational change, or a severe economic / military loss if we are talking about this decade, but even that isn't a guarantee since the system is perpetuating itself with force, with economic self-interest to continue doing so. Isolating Russian citizens from western sources of information (in addition to what the Russian government is already doing by itself) is not only not helping, it's counterproductive, since rejection engenders a rejection in return, lowering the probability that an inflection point in the Russian history would result in anything western. >countries change Authoritarian countries change when their enforcement class relaxes and loses control. It takes decades for it to occur. If there is no relaxation, then no change occurs, as demonstrated by numerous countries, not only Russia. Right now the control and propaganda are very tight. "Wanting to make change" publicly is literally a life-threatening activity.
- dead5ea 2y ago
  The idea that Westerners might "hate" Russians (the people -- not the dictators and their regimes' activities) always seemed so silly to me that I assumed the majority of the related propaganda would be laughed off. In my experience, the worst general case you have from Americans is absolute "other side of the planet" indifference. Hence the apathetic practice of blocking Russian-originating IP traffic... This may be arguably worse than hate. A slightly better case, I think, is a healthy segment of the American populace thinks Russians are like the FPSRussia YouTube channel from a few years ago. (Disclaimer: Not sure what the status of that channel is now. Plus, I always figured he was geographically in the southern USA.)
grishka 2y ago
You're very naive to assume that this government takes any feedback. I'll just leave this thread here: https://twitter.com/IrineKuklina/status/1578339408801304580 https://twitter.com/IrineKuklina/status/1578339408801304580
- snapplebobapple 2y ago
  you are naive to think whether your government takes feedback is relevant or not (or that I was specifically talking about Russia, That is just one of many countries with shitty internet crime prevention that are routinely blocked and each of those shite countries have varying levels of shite leadership with varying levels of responsiveness).
- type0 2y ago
  oh but it does, you can submit it directly to Roskomnadzor so it can cooperate with said hackers and then GRU might even hire them directly /s
- hellojesus 2y ago
  I am powerless to prevent even my local county from voting to steal my income to fund nonsense welfare, so I can only imagine how much less hope you have for political change and in your ability to meaningfully enact any. Good luck, and I hope you stay out of harm's way.
  - account42 2y ago
    How do you think any political change was ever achieved then?
    - hellojesus 2y ago
      Anyone can attempt political change, but it all comes down to EV. I live in the US. I can openly speak my mind with relative safety. And I mean relative. My physical safety will likely not be risked, nor the physical safety of my family. But we are very much at a stage where any dissent is accompanied by internet mobs and unemployment. Do I think that I can convince > 50% of voters in my county to rescind a 1% tax on my household income over $200k? Unlikely. Near zero probability. And my guess is that that probability is certainly less than the probability I am called a racist, transphobe, white supremacist. And that may reduce my income to $0. The EV play doesn't make sense when I have children to raise. I imagine the above weighted by an openly corrupt gov willing to imprision and kill further diminishes the EV for an individual.

nullifidian 2y ago

Ah, yes, the remaining English speakers in Russia will overthrow the literal millions of the silovik class whose entire job is to repress (with violence) any independent political activity. There is no "lobbying" in Russia, if you didn't know. If you hate all Russians just say you hate all Russians. No need for this "lobby your government" euphemistic BS.

sqeaky 2y ago
We in the west can't change your government to ban hacking requests. We can block whole countries and make a practical reduction in hacks. Sorry that you got caught in the middle and feel you have no options. Maybe someone who does have options and makes their money from non-hacking will be inconvenienced and ask for change instead.
wredcoll 2y ago
So political change in russia is literally impossible and everything will be exactly the same 50 years from now? Obviously not. Is such change easy? Again, obviously not, but the only way countries change is their own citizens wanting to make the change.
- grishka 2y ago
  Oh we do want to make this change. Desperately. The only minor issue with that is that we lack any means to do so. I'll be sure to do my part as soon as the window of opportunity opens.
  - firesteelrain 2y ago
    Sure hope your govt is not monitoring your posts
  - brokenmachine 2y ago
    It's probably risky, but absolutely there's a means to do so. Be the change you want to see in the world. Change happens slowly at first, and then all at once.
    - grishka 2y ago
      No, there really isn't any means right now. Even peacefully protesting gets one arrested in minutes. It's not probably risky, it's risky with absolute certainty. I did participate in opposition activities that were 100% safe. I signed for Nadezhdin and voted for Davankov for example.
      - brokenmachine 2y ago
        What you're saying is there's no 100% safe way, not that there is no way. Apparently desperately wanting change in Russia means desperately wanting someone else to change it for you, which perfectly aligns with the apathy the Russian population is infamous for. If Putin somehow became unable to provide the population with food for three days, or pay his security team, you'd all quickly discover what desperately means, and I'm confident the problem would resolve itself quickly. Your population's apathy has become the whole world's problem. pls fix.
        grishka 2y ago
        So what, exactly, is your suggestion? "Do something"?
        brokenmachine 2y ago
        Yes, precisely that.
        grishka 2y ago
        And nothing more concrete?
- nullifidian 2y ago
  >So political change in russia is literally impossible Precisely. It's basically impossible. There has to be at least be a generational change, or a severe economic / military loss if we are talking about this decade, but even that isn't a guarantee since the system is perpetuating itself with force, with economic self-interest to continue doing so. Isolating Russian citizens from western sources of information (in addition to what the Russian government is already doing by itself) is not only not helping, it's counterproductive, since rejection engenders a rejection in return, lowering the probability that an inflection point in the Russian history would result in anything western. >countries change Authoritarian countries change when their enforcement class relaxes and loses control. It takes decades for it to occur. If there is no relaxation, then no change occurs, as demonstrated by numerous countries, not only Russia. Right now the control and propaganda are very tight. "Wanting to make change" publicly is literally a life-threatening activity.
dead5ea 2y ago
The idea that Westerners might "hate" Russians (the people -- not the dictators and their regimes' activities) always seemed so silly to me that I assumed the majority of the related propaganda would be laughed off. In my experience, the worst general case you have from Americans is absolute "other side of the planet" indifference. Hence the apathetic practice of blocking Russian-originating IP traffic... This may be arguably worse than hate. A slightly better case, I think, is a healthy segment of the American populace thinks Russians are like the FPSRussia YouTube channel from a few years ago. (Disclaimer: Not sure what the status of that channel is now. Plus, I always figured he was geographically in the southern USA.)

grishka 2y ago

You're very naive to assume that this government takes any feedback. I'll just leave this thread here: https://twitter.com/IrineKuklina/status/1578339408801304580 https://twitter.com/IrineKuklina/status/1578339408801304580

snapplebobapple 2y ago
you are naive to think whether your government takes feedback is relevant or not (or that I was specifically talking about Russia, That is just one of many countries with shitty internet crime prevention that are routinely blocked and each of those shite countries have varying levels of shite leadership with varying levels of responsiveness).
type0 2y ago
oh but it does, you can submit it directly to Roskomnadzor so it can cooperate with said hackers and then GRU might even hire them directly /s
hellojesus 2y ago
I am powerless to prevent even my local county from voting to steal my income to fund nonsense welfare, so I can only imagine how much less hope you have for political change and in your ability to meaningfully enact any. Good luck, and I hope you stay out of harm's way.
- account42 2y ago
  How do you think any political change was ever achieved then?
  - hellojesus 2y ago
    Anyone can attempt political change, but it all comes down to EV. I live in the US. I can openly speak my mind with relative safety. And I mean relative. My physical safety will likely not be risked, nor the physical safety of my family. But we are very much at a stage where any dissent is accompanied by internet mobs and unemployment. Do I think that I can convince > 50% of voters in my county to rescind a 1% tax on my household income over $200k? Unlikely. Near zero probability. And my guess is that that probability is certainly less than the probability I am called a racist, transphobe, white supremacist. And that may reduce my income to $0. The EV play doesn't make sense when I have children to raise. I imagine the above weighted by an openly corrupt gov willing to imprision and kill further diminishes the EV for an individual.