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I assume quite a few people think of one way of "lying" about employment history, that they have very strong feelings about how it should be handled. Like * O

by ketzu 2y ago

I assume quite a few people think of one way of "lying" about employment history, that they have very strong feelings about how it should be handled. Like * Omitting (or denying) that you have done a certain activity (eg., union founding, working with PHP, that only-2-month job because it sucked). * Claiming (or adding) jobs or degrees that you have not worked at or earned, on your CV (e.g., claiming to have worked for microsoft for 4 years when you didn't). To me the first one seems clearly okay, but the second one not so much.

n2d4 2y ago
Personally, I think "denying" is also bad, while "omitting" is fine. Instead, I think it's more reasonable to have exceptions for certain protected activities, such as salting. It's in the same category as sexual orientation for me; employers should not be allowed to ask or make decisions based on it, so if you're asked as an employee, you shouldn't have any obligation to tell the truth.
- SoftTalker 2y ago
  I agree omitting is usually OK especially if it's not relevant. Omitting entire jobs if the experience isn't particularly relevant (particularly if it was a long time ago) can be OK. I omit that I worked at McDonald's when I was 17 in the 1990s when I am applying for a job in 2024. But if there are gaps in employment history you might be asked about it, especially if it's recent. Something like fudging employment dates along with omitting some jobs to disguise that you are a job-hopper gets into a much more grey area. I was surprised to learn that lying about employment history to hide that you are a salter was protected. I get that salting might be protected, but did not expect that lying on an application would be.
  - cool_dude85 2y ago
    >I was surprised to learn that lying about employment history to hide that you are a salter was protected. I get that salting might be protected, but did not expect that lying on an application would be. Making it so the employer can fire you for lying about the application would practically remove protection for salting. Nobody would hire you for a non-union job if they see you being employed by a union as an organizer in your last job.
    - SoftTalker 2y ago
      Yes, it makes sense from that perspective, I was just surprised that it's illegal. I live in an "at will" state where you can be fired (or quit) for any reason or no reason. This is federal employment law however, which I guess takes precidence.
- datavirtue 2y ago
  How dare you accuse me of working with PHP!

by ketzu 2y ago

n2d4 2y ago

Personally, I think "denying" is also bad, while "omitting" is fine. Instead, I think it's more reasonable to have exceptions for certain protected activities, such as salting. It's in the same category as sexual orientation for me; employers should not be allowed to ask or make decisions based on it, so if you're asked as an employee, you shouldn't have any obligation to tell the truth.

SoftTalker 2y ago
I agree omitting is usually OK especially if it's not relevant. Omitting entire jobs if the experience isn't particularly relevant (particularly if it was a long time ago) can be OK. I omit that I worked at McDonald's when I was 17 in the 1990s when I am applying for a job in 2024. But if there are gaps in employment history you might be asked about it, especially if it's recent. Something like fudging employment dates along with omitting some jobs to disguise that you are a job-hopper gets into a much more grey area. I was surprised to learn that lying about employment history to hide that you are a salter was protected. I get that salting might be protected, but did not expect that lying on an application would be.
- cool_dude85 2y ago
  >I was surprised to learn that lying about employment history to hide that you are a salter was protected. I get that salting might be protected, but did not expect that lying on an application would be. Making it so the employer can fire you for lying about the application would practically remove protection for salting. Nobody would hire you for a non-union job if they see you being employed by a union as an organizer in your last job.
  - SoftTalker 2y ago
    Yes, it makes sense from that perspective, I was just surprised that it's illegal. I live in an "at will" state where you can be fired (or quit) for any reason or no reason. This is federal employment law however, which I guess takes precidence.
datavirtue 2y ago
How dare you accuse me of working with PHP!