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All of these are bing based and/or have US parent Cos. So how exactly are they "European"? A European company put a react UI ontop of the bing API - seriously?

• bblommers 2y ago
  From the homepage: > As a business that operates in Europe, it is possible to get a VAT refund for products/services of other European companies. > European companies also tend to offer payment methods that are commonly used in Europe. > Within the EU, many laws and framework conditions are set by the EU, which helps to cover a large market without having to consider large country-specific differences. > It is also easier to enforce your rights against another company located in the EU. That sounds to me like there are plenty legitimate reasons to exclude the UK from a European (Union)-based list. They do seem to conflate Europe with the EU, which is unfortunate.
  • matt-p 2y ago
    UK meets all of these points too FYI :). VAT is not paid/or refunded, we use the same payment methods and many will even accept euros if push comes to shove. GDPR is enshrined in law, we have an EU trade and co-op agreement.
• timeon 2y ago
  Did they refuse your proposal or is your attitude based only on fact that you have expected it to be there from start? > protectionist club > beyond childish Seems like you have already made your mind.
  • matt-p 2y ago
    They refused. It's honestly unfortunate and I desperately wish it wasn't true, but this is actually how it is.
• p3rls 2y ago
  I just tried Mojeek and it's is probably the worst engine I've ever used. My first query I went with something standard out of my niche, "minju kpop" and #1 result was deepfake porn. The subsequent searches in other niches didn't do much better. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of Google and pagerank, dude. At least it's not deepfake porn.
  • ricardo81 2y ago
    I hope you can appreciate that Mojeek is a startup vs the trillion dollar valuations of Bing and Google. Vanity queries are pretty common for trying new engines. It's also not a very intuitive query. Maybe you're conditioned to using Google and their vast history of query data that no one else has.
    • pseudalopex 2y ago
      > Vanity queries are pretty common for trying new engines. Your point was what? > It's also not a very intuitive query. Maybe you're conditioned to using Google and their vast history of query data that no one else has. What would have been an intuitive query?
      • ricardo81 2y ago
        My point was that vanity queries often look for very specific things, and beyond Google and Bing you're struggling to get that. That's the current reality. Maybe ask yourself why. It's not an intuitive query because it yields about precisely zero results with those two words in a consecutive manner, on Google. You're chucking two spaghetti words together and expecting the search engine to figure out what you mean, which is fine to an extent but OTOH, wth do you mean?
  • mike_hearn 2y ago
    The problem is not their ranking but that by default SafeSearch is off on Mojeek. This is a questionable choice. Click the cog, enable SafeSearch and repeat the query. The deepfake porn is gone. I just tried Mojeek too, and found the results to be reasonable on a selection of programming related queries. I didn't know Mojeek existed, but the design is clean and the results are fast. Ranking isn't as precise as Google but that's OK, the right result is usually still in the top results. The summarize feature worked well and was also very fast. The news is clean, hopefully more trustworthy than Google News. I love the idea of their Substack search, but they should consider unlaunching it and trying again. Although the rendering of the results is a bit off (the date runs into the URL) the bigger issue is that there doesn't seem to be any way to rank by date, and old blog posts are often near the top. That's probably not what's wanted for a blog search. Honestly I don't know why this site isn't better known, if it's genuinely an independent index which it seems to be. It feels like Google in the early days. I'll definitely try it out and see how viable its ranking is. It's really sad (but absolutely 100% predictable) to hear that self-proclaimed "Europeans" refuse to mention it. To such people "Europe" is not and never has been about regional alliances or collaboration. It is and was always a social ideology of control. The UK rejected that system and is thus in their minds no longer "European", despite that it's still there and not going anywhere.