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my two cents: Avoid using Tuta, I am talking as a person with more than 4 years experience using their product. Its search extremely bad, UI is so simple and e

my two cents: Avoid using Tuta, I am talking as a person with more than 4 years experience using their product. Its search extremely bad, UI is so simple and everything is unnecessarily big, not event possibility to add any label. They barely improved their product within my >4 years of usage. I have already migrated most stuff to another mail provider.

throwaway77384 2y ago
I don't know if they are listed on the EU alternatives website, but for mail, I find Migadu to be excellent. I think they are Swiss.
nutrie 2y ago
> They barely improved their product within my >4 years of usage. Same with mailbox.org, having had my (paid) account with them for over 4 yrs since I went sans-Google, it was mostly a terrible experience. I recently tried Proton and they just kept flooding the inbox with conversion reminders, which I absolutely hate. Which different provider did you go with?
- nalekberov 2y ago
  > Which different provider did you go with? I actually fell back to Gmail for the time being - I just don't like to "advertise" any Google product for known reasons, even though Gmail is a quite solid product, sorry about the confusion - but that's my temporary solution. I am planning to either give Migadu a try or host my own mail provider. (I have seen some good feedback about https://mailcow.email https://mailcow.email)
  - nutrie 2y ago
    Yep, it's still hard to beat Gmail as a product. I had been with them since beta, I think it was by invite only back then. Time flies. I'm giving iCloud a try, even though it's rather painful on non-Apple systems.
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matt-p 2y ago
It's honestly so embarrassing that they are a 'top 5' for commercial email service made in Europe. Proton mail is 'getting there' and I think the best we collectively have to offer but let's be honest, it's not patch on Gmail,O365, iCloud, Zoho or one of the plethora of other services that hail from the US. A damming state of affairs.
xigoi 2y ago
And most importantly, they don’t support third-party clients.
- nalekberov 2y ago
  Yes, they are actually quite "allergic" to anything "non-Tuta".

throwaway77384 2y ago

I don't know if they are listed on the EU alternatives website, but for mail, I find Migadu to be excellent. I think they are Swiss.

nutrie 2y ago

> They barely improved their product within my >4 years of usage. Same with mailbox.org, having had my (paid) account with them for over 4 yrs since I went sans-Google, it was mostly a terrible experience. I recently tried Proton and they just kept flooding the inbox with conversion reminders, which I absolutely hate. Which different provider did you go with?

nalekberov 2y ago
> Which different provider did you go with? I actually fell back to Gmail for the time being - I just don't like to "advertise" any Google product for known reasons, even though Gmail is a quite solid product, sorry about the confusion - but that's my temporary solution. I am planning to either give Migadu a try or host my own mail provider. (I have seen some good feedback about https://mailcow.email https://mailcow.email)
- nutrie 2y ago
  Yep, it's still hard to beat Gmail as a product. I had been with them since beta, I think it was by invite only back then. Time flies. I'm giving iCloud a try, even though it's rather painful on non-Apple systems.
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matt-p 2y ago

It's honestly so embarrassing that they are a 'top 5' for commercial email service made in Europe. Proton mail is 'getting there' and I think the best we collectively have to offer but let's be honest, it's not patch on Gmail,O365, iCloud, Zoho or one of the plethora of other services that hail from the US. A damming state of affairs.

xigoi 2y ago

And most importantly, they don’t support third-party clients.

nalekberov 2y ago
Yes, they are actually quite "allergic" to anything "non-Tuta".