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A list of search engines I haven't known before: https://european-alternatives.eu/category/search-engines https://european-alternatives.eu/category/search-engi

A list of search engines I haven't known before: https://european-alternatives.eu/category/search-engines https://european-alternatives.eu/category/search-engines

timeon 2y ago
Seems like mostly Bing-based.
- usrnm 2y ago
  The only search engine with its own index in Europe (not EU) is Yandex. There is a lot of controversy around it for obvious reasons, but at least it exists
  - ricardo81 2y ago
    Not true, there's Mojeek.
ricardo81 2y ago
Presumably because of Brexit, Mojeek is not listed. Is sort-of-interesting how some European lists include/exclude the UK. https://www.mojeek.com/ https://www.mojeek.com/ One of the largest Western world indexes outside of Bing/Google, own crawler/ranking and privacy friendly.
- mike_hearn 2y ago
  Redefining Europe to mean something other than the geographical location is a very bad habit of the pro-EU contingent. The EU institutions do this all the time but they aren't the only offenders, which is how Eurovision ends up including Australia and Israel. These people seem to really hate that Europe is a geographically defined landmass (which includes Russia), and would much rather it be a social construct reflecting a specific set of cultural values. But I guess "EU/EFTA Alternatives" is not as snappy.
  - MrSkelter 2y ago
    Your comment about Eurovision is simply wrong. The countries participating, with the exception of Australia, are all current or prior members of a European Broadcasting Union. The event was devised as content and when Israel joined the broadcasting organization they got the opportunity to pay to participate. Australia is involved because they requested participation as the event is massively popular there. Europe is a political concept more than it is a geography. Copenhagen and Berlin are tied together by law. Moscow and Berlin are not. Saying “Europe” in this context without reference to politics is meaningless. There is borderless trade within the EU but not with the UK. That is a fundamental difference and just one example.
    - mike_hearn 2y ago
      I don't get it. How is my comment about Eurovision wrong when you then immediately agree with what I just said? It calls itself the European Broadcasting Union and the Eurovision song contest, but as you clearly agree, its membership rules have nothing to do with being in Europe. Europe is quite obviously not a political concept. It's an ancient word that always has and always will mean a geographical area. You're repeating the exact behavior we are openly criticizing in this thread. Misusing language in that way is not only a cheap attempt to manipulate and socially engineer populations, but actively divisive. This thread is a perfect example. Europe hasn't managed to produce many Google competitors, but there's one in the UK and now the people who run it are hurt and upset because they were excluded from a list that claims to represent all of Europe, but in reality the list is some sort of ideological construct defined by political allegiances. I really don't think self-proclaimed "European citizens" realize how much damage they do to the continent with this approach. It's not just the UK, I live in Switzerland and these games get noticed here too. Many problems are geographical in nature (war, famine, energy, immigration etc). Europe could use as much collaboration as it can get. Alienating some of the continent's most successful countries is the worst way to bring that about.
toni 2y ago
Startpage is owned by an American advertising company (System1) https://old.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/di5rn3/startpage_is_now_owned_by_an_advertising_company/ https://old.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/di5rn3/startpage_i...
matt-p 2y ago
All of these are bing based and/or have US parent Cos. So how exactly are they "European"? A European company put a react UI ontop of the bing API - seriously? Meanwhile the UK has at least one serious option (e.g https://mojeek.com https://mojeek.com) with it's own index, possibly larger than yandex and privacy friendly - but can't be included because we're not in the right protectionist club. Well guys, I hope this works for you. I voted against Brexit, but the behaviour of folks on the continent since has been beyond childish and has been making me reconsider the whole EU concept.
- bblommers 2y ago
  From the homepage: > As a business that operates in Europe, it is possible to get a VAT refund for products/services of other European companies. > European companies also tend to offer payment methods that are commonly used in Europe. > Within the EU, many laws and framework conditions are set by the EU, which helps to cover a large market without having to consider large country-specific differences. > It is also easier to enforce your rights against another company located in the EU. That sounds to me like there are plenty legitimate reasons to exclude the UK from a European (Union)-based list. They do seem to conflate Europe with the EU, which is unfortunate.
  - matt-p 2y ago
    UK meets all of these points too FYI :). VAT is not paid/or refunded, we use the same payment methods and many will even accept euros if push comes to shove. GDPR is enshrined in law, we have an EU trade and co-op agreement.
- timeon 2y ago
  Did they refuse your proposal or is your attitude based only on fact that you have expected it to be there from start? > protectionist club > beyond childish Seems like you have already made your mind.
  - matt-p 2y ago
    They refused. It's honestly unfortunate and I desperately wish it wasn't true, but this is actually how it is.

A list of search engines I haven't known before: https://european-alternatives.eu/category/search-engines https://european-alternatives.eu/category/search-engines

timeon 2y ago

Seems like mostly Bing-based.

usrnm 2y ago
The only search engine with its own index in Europe (not EU) is Yandex. There is a lot of controversy around it for obvious reasons, but at least it exists
- ricardo81 2y ago
  Not true, there's Mojeek.

ricardo81 2y ago

Presumably because of Brexit, Mojeek is not listed. Is sort-of-interesting how some European lists include/exclude the UK. https://www.mojeek.com/ https://www.mojeek.com/ One of the largest Western world indexes outside of Bing/Google, own crawler/ranking and privacy friendly.

mike_hearn 2y ago
Redefining Europe to mean something other than the geographical location is a very bad habit of the pro-EU contingent. The EU institutions do this all the time but they aren't the only offenders, which is how Eurovision ends up including Australia and Israel. These people seem to really hate that Europe is a geographically defined landmass (which includes Russia), and would much rather it be a social construct reflecting a specific set of cultural values. But I guess "EU/EFTA Alternatives" is not as snappy.
- MrSkelter 2y ago
  Your comment about Eurovision is simply wrong. The countries participating, with the exception of Australia, are all current or prior members of a European Broadcasting Union. The event was devised as content and when Israel joined the broadcasting organization they got the opportunity to pay to participate. Australia is involved because they requested participation as the event is massively popular there. Europe is a political concept more than it is a geography. Copenhagen and Berlin are tied together by law. Moscow and Berlin are not. Saying “Europe” in this context without reference to politics is meaningless. There is borderless trade within the EU but not with the UK. That is a fundamental difference and just one example.
  - mike_hearn 2y ago
    I don't get it. How is my comment about Eurovision wrong when you then immediately agree with what I just said? It calls itself the European Broadcasting Union and the Eurovision song contest, but as you clearly agree, its membership rules have nothing to do with being in Europe. Europe is quite obviously not a political concept. It's an ancient word that always has and always will mean a geographical area. You're repeating the exact behavior we are openly criticizing in this thread. Misusing language in that way is not only a cheap attempt to manipulate and socially engineer populations, but actively divisive. This thread is a perfect example. Europe hasn't managed to produce many Google competitors, but there's one in the UK and now the people who run it are hurt and upset because they were excluded from a list that claims to represent all of Europe, but in reality the list is some sort of ideological construct defined by political allegiances. I really don't think self-proclaimed "European citizens" realize how much damage they do to the continent with this approach. It's not just the UK, I live in Switzerland and these games get noticed here too. Many problems are geographical in nature (war, famine, energy, immigration etc). Europe could use as much collaboration as it can get. Alienating some of the continent's most successful countries is the worst way to bring that about.

toni 2y ago

Startpage is owned by an American advertising company (System1) https://old.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/di5rn3/startpage_is_now_owned_by_an_advertising_company/ https://old.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/di5rn3/startpage_i...

matt-p 2y ago

All of these are bing based and/or have US parent Cos. So how exactly are they "European"? A European company put a react UI ontop of the bing API - seriously? Meanwhile the UK has at least one serious option (e.g https://mojeek.com https://mojeek.com) with it's own index, possibly larger than yandex and privacy friendly - but can't be included because we're not in the right protectionist club. Well guys, I hope this works for you. I voted against Brexit, but the behaviour of folks on the continent since has been beyond childish and has been making me reconsider the whole EU concept.

bblommers 2y ago
From the homepage: > As a business that operates in Europe, it is possible to get a VAT refund for products/services of other European companies. > European companies also tend to offer payment methods that are commonly used in Europe. > Within the EU, many laws and framework conditions are set by the EU, which helps to cover a large market without having to consider large country-specific differences. > It is also easier to enforce your rights against another company located in the EU. That sounds to me like there are plenty legitimate reasons to exclude the UK from a European (Union)-based list. They do seem to conflate Europe with the EU, which is unfortunate.
- matt-p 2y ago
  UK meets all of these points too FYI :). VAT is not paid/or refunded, we use the same payment methods and many will even accept euros if push comes to shove. GDPR is enshrined in law, we have an EU trade and co-op agreement.
timeon 2y ago
Did they refuse your proposal or is your attitude based only on fact that you have expected it to be there from start? > protectionist club > beyond childish Seems like you have already made your mind.
- matt-p 2y ago
  They refused. It's honestly unfortunate and I desperately wish it wasn't true, but this is actually how it is.