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I think every parent should be aware that if they give their kids a phone the result is often that they become sexually involved with strangers at a young age.
by DiscourseFan 2y ago
I think every parent should be aware that if they give their kids a phone the result is often that they become sexually involved with strangers at a young age. Occasionally, this results in actual meet ups, mostly just sexting.
I'm not sure if there is a "solution" to this problem, or its just the case that sexual morality as it has been conceived is already gone, and articles like these are just the death knells of a fallen order. The solution to changing sexual mores is always to socially isolate kids so they don't get "exposed." But you'd figure that, eventually, the kids will think we're all being a bit ridiculous.
- stavros 2y agoNow that you say this, is there any actual data on harms caused to teenagers from consensual sexual relationships with adults? Or are we all just freaking out because it's unpalatable?
- lm28469 2y agoKids can't consent because they're not aware of what's at stake and are easily manipulated by adults/people with authority. I know this is hn and the concentration of neckbeards is high but yes: fucking kids isn't ok
- stavros 2y agoIs that a "no" on the data front, then?
- justanotherjoe 2y agoIt's a no but you presented a false dichotomy. Either we have data or people are freaking out just because its unpalatable. Of course its a fallacy cause there are other ways to get to the truth without having enough children have sex with adults to have a sizeable, representative data. Get help. Also I'm sure we have plenty data that sex can be traumatic even for grown women in consensual relationship. Sex is very strong experience. And your penis is not some holy grail all people want.
- stavros 2y agoWhat's the fallacy called where someone is making an argument and you're implying they're a pedophile?
- justanotherjoe 2y agoOh i'm kinda sure you are. It's called theory of mind.
- stavros 2y agoThen I know what I'm sure you are.
- justanotherjoe 2y agooh please, you are not even denying it
- millzlane 2y agoDo you need data that says otherwise? Let's try something else. While I look for data, Can you list 5 ways a teenage girl could be harmed by this idea that she willingly agreed to sex with a 20 year old man? What 5 harms could come of that?
- stavros 2y agoThis will teach me to initiate discourse on topics so far outside the Overton window.
- lm28469 2y agoI don't have data proving fucking goats is bad, yet I don't do it, it really isn't rocket science
- stavros 2y agoWell, I'm glad you're managing to restrain yourself.
- ngruhn 2y agoI agree. Next question: Can they consent to gender reassignment surgery?
- k8svet 2y agoI'm sure you've heard this before, and I'm sure you don't give a slim shit, but like 3 minors a year undergo gender reassignment surgery. After countless consultations with physicians, therapists, parents, etc. And hormone blockers aren't given out trivially either. But I have no doubt that you know this. So, really, pretty laughably not comparable. And to directly answer your question, the answer is duh, no. I'm sure you're equally upset about young kids being put in beauty pageants or the countless (Republican) states that have recently defended child marriage. Right? Right?
- k8svet 2y ago[flagged]
- Ygg2 2y agoHave you heard of Google? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33964848/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33964848/
- stavros 2y agoThis study is about sexual violence to children, not about 16-year-olds having consensual sex with 20-year-olds.
- Bostonian 2y agoTeenagers don't suddenly become more mature on their birthdays, but the law needs to draw the line somewhere, and I want adults to be strongly discouraged from pursuing 13-year-olds.
- willcipriano 2y ago[flagged]
- kashunstva 2y ago> is there any actual data on harms caused to teenagers Must all moral decisions be based on data? If so, what level of certainty is required of this data? In this hypothetically permissive world, is a 13 year the same as an 18 year-old? Because in my experience, their capacities to reason through difficult choices are entirely different. And what makes a 13 year-old substantively different from a 12 year-old? Clearly by limiting your hypothetical to teens, you’re saying something about their capacity to make fully reasoned choices in a way that differs from younger peers. Is there data there? Are these properties evenly distributed in the population? As a parent of a teen, I’m fine if there’s no data here; and I’m ok that it’s a moral choice that the culture in which I live makes based on a deeply held duty to protect, even if the harms aren’t fully understood. Because power differentials may create the illusion of consent, when it’s not truly fully given.
- RecycledEle 2y ago> is there any actual data on harms caused to teenagers from consensual sexual relationships with adults? YES Becoming involved in sexual relationships early makes someone mean/cruel later in life. It also makes them more manipulative. Both are bad for society. Bill and Hillary Clinton are examples of people who got involved sex too early, and we know how they treat people. Imagine the nastiest attorney you know. I bet he/she was getting laid in junior high. OTOH, helping children keep their innocence leads to kind and caring adults.
- rightbyte 2y agoYour first paragraph just about describes most dating endeavours from the parents point of view. The article is about a mother profiting from suggestive photos of her child. > But you'd figure that, eventually, the kids will think we're all being a bit ridiculous. Do you mean growing up?
- DiscourseFan 2y ago>Do you mean growing up? No.