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It's not exactly forgotten. There's 2 wire Ethernet/PoE standard (used mostly in automotive) that can be daisy-chained. Designing for it however is non-trivial
by varjag 2y ago
It's not exactly forgotten. There's 2 wire Ethernet/PoE standard (used mostly in automotive) that can be daisy-chained. Designing for it however is non-trivial and few third party devices (again outside automotive market) support it.
- globular-toast 2y agoHmm... I thought everything still had collision detection and would work on a bus, like what you'd get using a hub.
- varjag 2y agoThere is normally no collision detection beyond 10Mbps. Also PoE would not trivially work daisy chained.
- toast0 2y ago100base-Tx is specified for shared media (hub rather than switch), but I think you need some electronics to make a hub, you can't just do a passive connection, and so you probably end up with a hub IC and may as well use a switch IC instead.
- sgtnoodle 2y agoIt might work in so far as you'll get packets through. The performance would be abysmal, though. Modern Ethernet is built around switching.
- globular-toast 2y agoWould it really be that bad? If the devices were well behaved (ie. not too noisy, no gratuitous ARP etc) and the application could assume that most of the time either zero or no devices will be communicating, would it be that bad? This is something I might test myself. I have a couple of audio devices that will never be both "active" at the same time. In my current layout I need to run either two cables or just another switch and it just seems a waste. I wonder if I can buy daisy chained cable so I don't have to make one...
- wal5hy 2y agoOur company is often asked at expos if we supply 2 wire ethernet switches (e.g. Single Pair Ethernet SPE[1]) but the reality is there's little demand (outside of automotive) we see in the Industrial marketplace for this type of product. The other issue is that there is at least 2 competing industrial connector standards for SPE, the main ones being from Harting[2] and Phoenix Contact[3]. I think this could be a great option for the future and ultimately lead to lower cost cabling and smaller products. [1] https://www.single-pair-ethernet.com/en https://www.single-pair-ethernet.com/en [2] https://images.app.goo.gl/ND9d9x66YNUckS7g6 https://images.app.goo.gl/ND9d9x66YNUckS7g6 [3] https://images.app.goo.gl/yWAiUAx4Y5vRmmbZA https://images.app.goo.gl/yWAiUAx4Y5vRmmbZA
- varjag 2y agoYeah that's the thing: neither of them is really standard, and both are fairly expensive. They are also available in very limited mechanical configurations (angle, mounting). Fortunately SPE does not really require either of them. In our product we're going with our own solution.
- lostlogin 2y ago> Our company is often asked at expos if we supply 2 wire ethernet switches (e.g. Single Pair Ethernet SPE[1]) but the reality is there's little demand This reminds me of a funny conversation I had in a small town stationers when looking for an item. ‘No, we don’t stock it. People keep asking, and I keep having to explain that there is no demand.’ Though this wasn’t for an obscure Ethernet variant.
- wal5hy 2y agoha, true! However at expos often the person asking is a vendor looking to sell SPE components to us, or someone in the industry trying to determine if a technology is popular. Can be a bit of an echo chamber.