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I think a lot of people dissatisfied with D3 are forgetting they were 12 years younger when Diablo 2 was released. That's a long time for your tastes to change

by parfe 14y ago

I think a lot of people dissatisfied with D3 are forgetting they were 12 years younger when Diablo 2 was released. That's a long time for your tastes to change. Everyone who played Diablo 2 as a child is now an adult.

waterlesscloud 14y ago
Which is fine, except I still play through D2 every year or so.
- freehunter 14y ago
  Nostalgia is an awful beast. I still play Perfect Dark quite often with my friends, friends who used to play the game as well. When I show it to new friend, they hate it. As well as they should, it's an awful game by todays standards. But we all still love it.
  - aw3c2 14y ago
    if it was a good game back then, it should still be a good game today. game mechanics really did not change much.
    - freehunter 14y ago
      Controls, graphics, and UI are massively improved these days. Let's face it, the late 90's and early 00's were not the heyday of great 3D graphics, and the N64 controller was something you got used to dealing with rather than something you would pick from a lineup. [1] This looks pretty rough, and coupled with the N64's controller not being ideal for FPS, it's pretty much unplayable if you didn't play back then. [1] http://i.imgur.com/0QCcu.jpg http://i.imgur.com/0QCcu.jpg
      - teamonkey 14y ago
        Also our understanding of UX and psychology as applied to video games has improved. Developers now hire people who are formally trained in architecture and form and narrative and psychology and flow, instead of kids who were quite handy with computers.
jamesmiller5 14y ago
I played D2 with 7 others at Purdue's LAN last year. It was such a big hit we made space for it at every monthly gaming event.
simcop2387 14y ago
There's also the fact that there appears to be some serious security problems with D3 at the moment. That's the entire reason I've stopped playing since I don't want my characters to get robbed like that.
- watty 14y ago
  Which "fact" do you speak of? You can get a free authenticator which (almost) guarantees you will be safe. The only "fact" is that too many people fail to use authenticators and re-use passwords on diablo fan sites.
  - cldrope 14y ago
    I PERSONALLY was hacked TWICE with the authenticator in place (via android phone). I have proof, my tickets were deleted from Battle.net support and my 3 posts were deleted from Battle.Net forums. The person who hacked me was EVEN on my recently played list (I only play solo and with friends.)
    - watty 14y ago
      I'm not calling you a liar but Blizzard is. Here's yet another post from an hour ago: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5592454673?page=9#176 http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5592454673?page=9#176
      - cldrope 14y ago
        Thanks for the update, here's a link to my FB album with pictoral evidence. http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.312830668801514.73071.100002237496716&type=3&l=0673ade8f7 http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.312830668801514.730... This was the second time I was hacked, I'm a fairly intelligent programmer, my browser doesn't even run Javascript/flash without a button click from me, I surf intelligently, the password was only used on this D3 account and was changed after the first hacking. No notification of new login location, nothing. Authenticator was bypassed 100%.
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heretohelp 14y ago
I still play Diablo 2, as in, I've played it in the last month. Diablo 2 is a superior game. I'll continue to play D3, but I'm feeling like my $60 would've been better spent on some Indian food and a copy of Torchlight 2 for $20.
- eswangren 14y ago
  Says the guy who probably has 60+ hours in the game and "will continue to play it". How much do you think your $60 is worth exactly?
  - robertpateii 14y ago
    If he still plays diablo 2, he's used to games being obscenely cheap per hour of play. As is, 1000 hours for 50 dollars. Also, he said exactly how much he thinks his $60 is worth in very specific terms: all the Indian food he can buy for $40 and Torchlight 2.
  - heretohelp 14y ago
    I've played Diablo 2 for longer than Windows XP has graced this planet. I've purchased and re-purchased it approximately 5 or 6 times, at varying prices. I'll probably continue to play it with my friends for the next couple years until a game finally topples it. I'll probably give up Diablo 3 by year's end. Putting aside any attempts to put a 'price' per hour of enjoyment, that is pathetic. Blizzard should be embarrassed by Diablo 3, they've destroyed the franchise for me as I was worried they would. I can't trust them to make another game like Diablo or Diablo 2 again. I have to assume that the disintegration of Blizzard North has ruined them. The consequences here are more serious than my wasted $60. It's about the end of an entertainment dynasty.
    - laserDinosaur 14y ago
      "Blizzard should be embarrassed by Diablo 3" They sold like 6.5 million copies. I really don't think they care at this stage.
lotharbot 14y ago
A lot of people dissatisfied with D3 are also satisfied with StarCraft 2, which had a 12 year delay from its predecessor. Tastes change, but I don't think that's the primary issue at play here.
- Arelius 14y ago
  Starcraft II was one of the best reproductions in a successor, IMO. But I play them both significantly less, but frankly, I've changed more over those 12 years then Starcraft, seems to be a more likely culprit.
- baddox 14y ago
  Not all tastes change the same amount between childhood and adulthood.
- jaems33 14y ago
  Well I think it depends. Starcraft 2 has improved it's e-sports appeal which I credit mostly to the community but it suffers from the lack of variety in strategy and the dumbing down/nerfing of a lot of micro. HotS will likely shift add more strategies alongside future patches that tweak the balance, but I think it's still about a year or two before gamers are truly satisfied with the state of the game. Kind of like what Starcraft 1 went through.
  - debacle 14y ago
    Look at Dota 2. It's going to blow Starcraft 2 our of the water with regards to eSports, probably everywhere but Korea.
jczhang 14y ago
Naw man. I played D2 like just months ago and it was still more addictive than D3 at the end game. There's a different feeling to it. The reward mechanism is unique and better imo.

by parfe 14y ago

waterlesscloud 14y ago

Which is fine, except I still play through D2 every year or so.

freehunter 14y ago
Nostalgia is an awful beast. I still play Perfect Dark quite often with my friends, friends who used to play the game as well. When I show it to new friend, they hate it. As well as they should, it's an awful game by todays standards. But we all still love it.
- aw3c2 14y ago
  if it was a good game back then, it should still be a good game today. game mechanics really did not change much.
  - freehunter 14y ago
    Controls, graphics, and UI are massively improved these days. Let's face it, the late 90's and early 00's were not the heyday of great 3D graphics, and the N64 controller was something you got used to dealing with rather than something you would pick from a lineup. [1] This looks pretty rough, and coupled with the N64's controller not being ideal for FPS, it's pretty much unplayable if you didn't play back then. [1] http://i.imgur.com/0QCcu.jpg http://i.imgur.com/0QCcu.jpg
    - teamonkey 14y ago
      Also our understanding of UX and psychology as applied to video games has improved. Developers now hire people who are formally trained in architecture and form and narrative and psychology and flow, instead of kids who were quite handy with computers.

jamesmiller5 14y ago

I played D2 with 7 others at Purdue's LAN last year. It was such a big hit we made space for it at every monthly gaming event.

simcop2387 14y ago

There's also the fact that there appears to be some serious security problems with D3 at the moment. That's the entire reason I've stopped playing since I don't want my characters to get robbed like that.

watty 14y ago
Which "fact" do you speak of? You can get a free authenticator which (almost) guarantees you will be safe. The only "fact" is that too many people fail to use authenticators and re-use passwords on diablo fan sites.
- cldrope 14y ago
  I PERSONALLY was hacked TWICE with the authenticator in place (via android phone). I have proof, my tickets were deleted from Battle.net support and my 3 posts were deleted from Battle.Net forums. The person who hacked me was EVEN on my recently played list (I only play solo and with friends.)
  - watty 14y ago
    I'm not calling you a liar but Blizzard is. Here's yet another post from an hour ago: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5592454673?page=9#176 http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5592454673?page=9#176
    - cldrope 14y ago
      Thanks for the update, here's a link to my FB album with pictoral evidence. http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.312830668801514.73071.100002237496716&type=3&l=0673ade8f7 http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.312830668801514.730... This was the second time I was hacked, I'm a fairly intelligent programmer, my browser doesn't even run Javascript/flash without a button click from me, I surf intelligently, the password was only used on this D3 account and was changed after the first hacking. No notification of new login location, nothing. Authenticator was bypassed 100%.
  - 14y ago

heretohelp 14y ago

I still play Diablo 2, as in, I've played it in the last month. Diablo 2 is a superior game. I'll continue to play D3, but I'm feeling like my $60 would've been better spent on some Indian food and a copy of Torchlight 2 for $20.

eswangren 14y ago
Says the guy who probably has 60+ hours in the game and "will continue to play it". How much do you think your $60 is worth exactly?
- robertpateii 14y ago
  If he still plays diablo 2, he's used to games being obscenely cheap per hour of play. As is, 1000 hours for 50 dollars. Also, he said exactly how much he thinks his $60 is worth in very specific terms: all the Indian food he can buy for $40 and Torchlight 2.
- heretohelp 14y ago
  I've played Diablo 2 for longer than Windows XP has graced this planet. I've purchased and re-purchased it approximately 5 or 6 times, at varying prices. I'll probably continue to play it with my friends for the next couple years until a game finally topples it. I'll probably give up Diablo 3 by year's end. Putting aside any attempts to put a 'price' per hour of enjoyment, that is pathetic. Blizzard should be embarrassed by Diablo 3, they've destroyed the franchise for me as I was worried they would. I can't trust them to make another game like Diablo or Diablo 2 again. I have to assume that the disintegration of Blizzard North has ruined them. The consequences here are more serious than my wasted $60. It's about the end of an entertainment dynasty.
  - laserDinosaur 14y ago
    "Blizzard should be embarrassed by Diablo 3" They sold like 6.5 million copies. I really don't think they care at this stage.

lotharbot 14y ago

A lot of people dissatisfied with D3 are also satisfied with StarCraft 2, which had a 12 year delay from its predecessor. Tastes change, but I don't think that's the primary issue at play here.

Arelius 14y ago
Starcraft II was one of the best reproductions in a successor, IMO. But I play them both significantly less, but frankly, I've changed more over those 12 years then Starcraft, seems to be a more likely culprit.
baddox 14y ago
Not all tastes change the same amount between childhood and adulthood.
jaems33 14y ago
Well I think it depends. Starcraft 2 has improved it's e-sports appeal which I credit mostly to the community but it suffers from the lack of variety in strategy and the dumbing down/nerfing of a lot of micro. HotS will likely shift add more strategies alongside future patches that tweak the balance, but I think it's still about a year or two before gamers are truly satisfied with the state of the game. Kind of like what Starcraft 1 went through.
- debacle 14y ago
  Look at Dota 2. It's going to blow Starcraft 2 our of the water with regards to eSports, probably everywhere but Korea.

jczhang 14y ago

Naw man. I played D2 like just months ago and it was still more addictive than D3 at the end game. There's a different feeling to it. The reward mechanism is unique and better imo.