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Pointless law as the Supreme Court has ruled that states cannot add qualifications for national office beyond those in the Constitution.

carabiner 2y ago
What if the Constitution might be bad?
- zeroonetwothree 2y ago
  Then it still doesn’t mean that this law is a way to change it
- colechristensen 2y ago
  There are several mechanisms to amend it.
  - defrost 2y ago
    Amend? Benjiman Franklin was strongly vociferous on the constituition being barely sufficient until a despot showed up and trashed it. Might be time for a rethink and reset of the election methods, terms, supreme court lifetime appointments, corporations as citizens, allowing lobbying, actually imprisoning | significantly firing corruption in politics, stronger seperation of arms of government, etc.
    - colechristensen 2y ago
      All that sounds like a great opportunity for a movement to get usurped by a dictator. That many huge changes all at once. The US has been going strong for nearly 250 years with the same form of government. Who has gone longer? (Leaving out a few microstates and such). Ben Franklin was wrong. Which isn’t to say we don’t need some change. To be honest most of what we need is better candidates and people more interested in subtlety and honest disagreements.
      - defrost 2y ago
        > All that sounds like a great opportunity for a movement to get usurped by a dictator. The US is close to that already without having to change from its rut. > To be honest most of what we need is better candidates and people more interested in subtlety and honest disagreements. Agreed. However it's baked into the antiquated US system to devolve into two party system that doesn't represent the people at large and are essentially two sides of the same coin (or at least until recently when the circuit breaker has been a lurch toward despotism). Ironic given the founders mostly didn't even like party politics, but that's the inevitable grind of iterated discrete dynamic systems for you. Older isn't better just by virtue of age, the US got some good ideas from the French and the native american people and then stagnated, meanwhile the UK continued to evolve, countries like Australia adopted "Washminster" system that built on the strengths of two prior systems, etc. There are systemic reasons why the US has such a limited choice for President, it's a problem that who leads as #1 is even a big deal, it's just a little king for four years which was the problem with George back in the day.
- kvonhorn 2y ago
  We could demand amendments or a new Constitutional Convention. In practice, though, the US Constitution is pretty sclerotic in comparison to other nations'.
- UncleEntity 2y ago
  Then they're are means to change that. Maybe tomorrow some state decides that freedom of religion is bad?
zeroonetwothree 2y ago
Sometimes precedents get overturned. The original decision was 5-4 after all, not exactly a safe bet.
vsuperpower2020 2y ago
This is not really something written in the constitution, just something that the justices vividly hallucinated into existence in 95. If it actually comes up again, it'll probably be overturned.

carabiner 2y ago

What if the Constitution might be bad?

zeroonetwothree 2y ago
Then it still doesn’t mean that this law is a way to change it
colechristensen 2y ago
There are several mechanisms to amend it.
- defrost 2y ago
  Amend? Benjiman Franklin was strongly vociferous on the constituition being barely sufficient until a despot showed up and trashed it. Might be time for a rethink and reset of the election methods, terms, supreme court lifetime appointments, corporations as citizens, allowing lobbying, actually imprisoning | significantly firing corruption in politics, stronger seperation of arms of government, etc.
  - colechristensen 2y ago
    All that sounds like a great opportunity for a movement to get usurped by a dictator. That many huge changes all at once. The US has been going strong for nearly 250 years with the same form of government. Who has gone longer? (Leaving out a few microstates and such). Ben Franklin was wrong. Which isn’t to say we don’t need some change. To be honest most of what we need is better candidates and people more interested in subtlety and honest disagreements.
    - defrost 2y ago
      > All that sounds like a great opportunity for a movement to get usurped by a dictator. The US is close to that already without having to change from its rut. > To be honest most of what we need is better candidates and people more interested in subtlety and honest disagreements. Agreed. However it's baked into the antiquated US system to devolve into two party system that doesn't represent the people at large and are essentially two sides of the same coin (or at least until recently when the circuit breaker has been a lurch toward despotism). Ironic given the founders mostly didn't even like party politics, but that's the inevitable grind of iterated discrete dynamic systems for you. Older isn't better just by virtue of age, the US got some good ideas from the French and the native american people and then stagnated, meanwhile the UK continued to evolve, countries like Australia adopted "Washminster" system that built on the strengths of two prior systems, etc. There are systemic reasons why the US has such a limited choice for President, it's a problem that who leads as #1 is even a big deal, it's just a little king for four years which was the problem with George back in the day.
kvonhorn 2y ago
We could demand amendments or a new Constitutional Convention. In practice, though, the US Constitution is pretty sclerotic in comparison to other nations'.
UncleEntity 2y ago
Then they're are means to change that. Maybe tomorrow some state decides that freedom of religion is bad?

zeroonetwothree 2y ago

Sometimes precedents get overturned. The original decision was 5-4 after all, not exactly a safe bet.

vsuperpower2020 2y ago

This is not really something written in the constitution, just something that the justices vividly hallucinated into existence in 95. If it actually comes up again, it'll probably be overturned.