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Natural gas is extracted from underground. If you don't actively drill for it, it's not coming out. If you push CO2 into natural gas reservoirs, and you plug th

Natural gas is extracted from underground. If you don't actively drill for it, it's not coming out. If you push CO2 into natural gas reservoirs, and you plug the pipe, it will not come out. For millions of years. The only way for it to come out is for someone to actively drill and try to take it out.

OutOfHere 2y ago
> If you don't actively drill for it, it's not coming out. Please, we know that's a lie because there are thousands of unplugged drill site holes when it comes to natural gas. This is what methane flaring is about. They're constantly burning or otherwise leaking methane into the air. This is the best that human drilling has to offer, and it's piss poor. We can expect no better in terms of quality or depth for CO2 storage.
- Retric 2y ago
  > there are thousands of unplugged drill site holes Nobody is seriously suggesting to pump CO2 underground and then not plug up all the holes connected to that gas. Unplugged holes thousands of miles away obviously remain irrelevant. PS: Flaring is there when active extraction and processing going on. A tank on the surface getting several degrees hotter in the day is going to build up pressure, while even 20 feet underground the temperatures is constant year round and even across geologic timescales. Similarly, if you’re extracting oil then you might not care about small packets of gas reaching the surface beyond the safety hazard, thus flaring.
  - OutOfHere 2y ago
    Fossil fuel companies just cannot be trusted to seal it well. They have continuously misled the public. They will collect their contracted paycheck, then the leaks will begin. Also, when there is the slightest earthquake, the reservoir could erupt, even killing everyone in the area due to a flood of CO2.
    - credit_guy 2y ago
      That's why we have the EPA.
      - OutOfHere 2y ago
        The EPA is heavily subject to the whims of the President, lobbyists, and corrupt Supreme Court judges. The EPA is not an independent agency even if they're supposed to be. Moreover, the EPA have already failed to protect the people.
    - Retric 2y ago
      If the slightest earthquake was going to rupture the natural gas field, it wouldn’t be around for people to tap. Again, this isn’t the kind of thing where you slap a metal end cap on a long tube and call it a day. It’s seriously disingenuous to assume people are going to be as stupid as you are implying. Actually getting a meaningfully large stream of CO2 is by far a more difficult problem than storing it across geologic timescales.
      - OutOfHere 2y ago
        It is not disingenuous to say that fossil fuel companies cannot be trusted, and they have continuously misled the public. Even if they were to properly bury carbon dioxide, combined with crooked politicians and lobbyists, it'll just give the companies a free pass to keep burning fossil fuels. In this way, they'll screw the people from both sides. Also, there is a limit to the volume that can be held by deep geologic reservoirs.
        Retric 2y ago
        Fossil fuel companies don’t need to burry CO2. There’s no carbon taxes or really any incentives for them to care. It’s really 3rd parties like Climeworks who are mostly likely to try and make use of this technology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climeworks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climeworks And without massive government subsidies it’s going to operate at such a tiny scale as to be irrelevant.

OutOfHere 2y ago

> If you don't actively drill for it, it's not coming out. Please, we know that's a lie because there are thousands of unplugged drill site holes when it comes to natural gas. This is what methane flaring is about. They're constantly burning or otherwise leaking methane into the air. This is the best that human drilling has to offer, and it's piss poor. We can expect no better in terms of quality or depth for CO2 storage.

Retric 2y ago
> there are thousands of unplugged drill site holes Nobody is seriously suggesting to pump CO2 underground and then not plug up all the holes connected to that gas. Unplugged holes thousands of miles away obviously remain irrelevant. PS: Flaring is there when active extraction and processing going on. A tank on the surface getting several degrees hotter in the day is going to build up pressure, while even 20 feet underground the temperatures is constant year round and even across geologic timescales. Similarly, if you’re extracting oil then you might not care about small packets of gas reaching the surface beyond the safety hazard, thus flaring.
- OutOfHere 2y ago
  Fossil fuel companies just cannot be trusted to seal it well. They have continuously misled the public. They will collect their contracted paycheck, then the leaks will begin. Also, when there is the slightest earthquake, the reservoir could erupt, even killing everyone in the area due to a flood of CO2.
  - credit_guy 2y ago
    That's why we have the EPA.
    - OutOfHere 2y ago
      The EPA is heavily subject to the whims of the President, lobbyists, and corrupt Supreme Court judges. The EPA is not an independent agency even if they're supposed to be. Moreover, the EPA have already failed to protect the people.
  - Retric 2y ago
    If the slightest earthquake was going to rupture the natural gas field, it wouldn’t be around for people to tap. Again, this isn’t the kind of thing where you slap a metal end cap on a long tube and call it a day. It’s seriously disingenuous to assume people are going to be as stupid as you are implying. Actually getting a meaningfully large stream of CO2 is by far a more difficult problem than storing it across geologic timescales.
    - OutOfHere 2y ago
      It is not disingenuous to say that fossil fuel companies cannot be trusted, and they have continuously misled the public. Even if they were to properly bury carbon dioxide, combined with crooked politicians and lobbyists, it'll just give the companies a free pass to keep burning fossil fuels. In this way, they'll screw the people from both sides. Also, there is a limit to the volume that can be held by deep geologic reservoirs.
      - Retric 2y ago
        Fossil fuel companies don’t need to burry CO2. There’s no carbon taxes or really any incentives for them to care. It’s really 3rd parties like Climeworks who are mostly likely to try and make use of this technology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climeworks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climeworks And without massive government subsidies it’s going to operate at such a tiny scale as to be irrelevant.