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Or detect the LLM and serve up an LLM rewritten version of the page. That way you feed it poisonous garbage.

by teeray 2y ago

IAmGraydon 2y ago
I really like this idea. Someone needs to implement this. I'm not sure what the ideal poison would be. Randomly constructed sentences that follow the basic rules of grammar?
- egberts1 2y ago
  That's easy. Mix up the verbs, add/delete "not", "but", "and". Change names.
- LegitShady 2y ago
  >I'm not sure what the ideal poison would be ChatGPT, write a short story that warns about the dangers of artificial intelligence stealing people's intellectual property, from the perspective of a hamster in a cage beside a computer monitor.
- mistrial9 2y ago
  fun! but a few ill-intentioned agitators can use up the ability and resources of those trying to fight back. This phenomenon is well-known in legal circles I believe..
  - aspenmayer 2y ago
    > This phenomenon is well-known in legal circles I believe.. I think you’re referring to spoliation, but in this context it could be considered a special-case of a document dump. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampering_with_evidence#Spoliation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampering_with_evidence#Spolia... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Document_dump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Document_dump
- ai4ever 2y ago
  make this open-source, I can bet you will see a lot of contributors. then, make it easy for content producers to incorporate into their websites.
janalsncm 2y ago
The issue is detecting them when they use random user agents and ip ranges.
- bakugo 2y ago
  > when they use random user agents and ip ranges From what I've seen, most AI scrapers operate on known cloud IP ranges, usually amazon (Perplexity included), so just check for those.
  - jsheard 2y ago
    I assume that's why Reddit appears to be cracking down on VPNs lately, they probably don't actually care about VPNs but they're throttling scraper traffic coming from datacenter IP address ranges, which VPN providers are also using.

Or detect the LLM and serve up an LLM rewritten version of the page. That way you feed it poisonous garbage.

by teeray 2y ago

Or detect the LLM and serve up an LLM rewritten version of the page. That way you feed it poisonous garbage.

I really like this idea. Someone needs to implement this. I'm not sure what the ideal poison would be. Randomly constructed sentences that follow the basic rules of grammar?

egberts1 2y ago
That's easy. Mix up the verbs, add/delete "not", "but", "and". Change names.
LegitShady 2y ago
>I'm not sure what the ideal poison would be ChatGPT, write a short story that warns about the dangers of artificial intelligence stealing people's intellectual property, from the perspective of a hamster in a cage beside a computer monitor.
mistrial9 2y ago
fun! but a few ill-intentioned agitators can use up the ability and resources of those trying to fight back. This phenomenon is well-known in legal circles I believe..
- aspenmayer 2y ago
  > This phenomenon is well-known in legal circles I believe.. I think you’re referring to spoliation, but in this context it could be considered a special-case of a document dump. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampering_with_evidence#Spoliation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampering_with_evidence#Spolia... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Document_dump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Document_dump
ai4ever 2y ago
make this open-source, I can bet you will see a lot of contributors. then, make it easy for content producers to incorporate into their websites.

janalsncm 2y ago

The issue is detecting them when they use random user agents and ip ranges.

bakugo 2y ago
> when they use random user agents and ip ranges From what I've seen, most AI scrapers operate on known cloud IP ranges, usually amazon (Perplexity included), so just check for those.
- jsheard 2y ago
  I assume that's why Reddit appears to be cracking down on VPNs lately, they probably don't actually care about VPNs but they're throttling scraper traffic coming from datacenter IP address ranges, which VPN providers are also using.