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"pseudo-Marxist" ? LOL, you have no idea what you are talking about. I'm arguing for a smaller-scale energy landscape, for privately owned enterprises, individu

by _19qg 2y ago

"pseudo-Marxist" ? LOL, you have no idea what you are talking about. I'm arguing for a smaller-scale energy landscape, for privately owned enterprises, individuals, etc. If that is Marxist, you are seriously confused. EVEN if I were to buy solar panels from China, then I'm still financing them, I'm buying them, I'm installing them, I'm operating them, I'm selling the energy and the profits from solar electricity is MINE - over the full lifetime. Solar energy production is more than "chinese panel manufacturing". The nuclear reactor Flamanville/France, which has massive cost overruns and delays: * controlled by the state * financed by the state * bought by the state * constructed by the state * operated by the state * energy sold by the state EDF (Electricité de France) is government owned and builts and operates the power plant, it also sells the electricity to the customer. ALL, literally all, of the electricity production and distribution from French nuclear power plants is owned by the state. That's Marxian! If I see where I live, the Wind Farms serving the region: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_offshore_wind_farms_in_the_North_Sea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_offshore_wind_farms_in... The construction firms for Wind Turbines are Vestas, Siemens, etc. These are not state owned. They are private enterprises. Example, the German Wind Farm "Kaskasi". The Turbines were built by Siemens. The Wind Farm is owned by RWE, a private enterprise. https://www.rwe.com/en/the-group/countries-and-locations/offshore-wind-farm-kaskasi/ https://www.rwe.com/en/the-group/countries-and-locations/off... > Energiewende is also financed with state money The Energiewende had established a mechanism where the consumer pay higher prices (which you have lamented about), which finances the build-up of renewable energy -> the money goes to the renewable energy electricity providers, which are private enterprises and individuals. The energy companies, the grid, the construction companies, etc., none are owned by the German state. These are all private enterprises or local municipal utilities.

Herz 2y ago
I'm still trying to understand why EDF is considered problematic despite its ability to provide affordable and clean electricity nationwide. EDF outperforms other major European countries in this regard. While I support free competition and acknowledge that French nuclear energy might not be the best example of that, the fact remains that it delivers reliable, cheap, and clean electricity. This should be our primary focus, with room for improvement always available. An honest discourse should start with these facts, rather than solely moral viewpoints. > The German Wind Farm "Kaskasi". The Turbines were built by Siemens. The Wind Farm is owned by RWE, a private enterprise So I suppose you have been against the closure of German reactors, right? Like for example the one in Emsland, built by Siemens, and owned by RWE, exactly like the wind plant you take as an example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emsland_Nuclear_Power_Plant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emsland_Nuclear_Power_Plant
- lispm 2y ago
  Clean? Ever looked at uranium mining and nuclear fuel production? Many countries still work with Russian Rosatom (even France), which has a track record for environmental catastrophes. Btw., with Russia military attacking a nuclear power plant in the Ukraine. In Ukraine there is the constant danger of a second Tchernobyl, due to the Russian war against the Ukraine and its power plants : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaporizhzhia_Nuclear_Power_Plant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaporizhzhia_Nuclear_Power_Pla... . If this thing blows up, then what happens? > fact remains that it delivers reliable, cheap, and clean electricity That's your opinion, it's not a fact. Don't think that your opinions are facts and thus automatically what other people say is wrong. Be honest in communication with other people, so that your opinions are just opinions. You can argument in favor of your opinions, but they remain opinions and are not facts, just because YOU believe in them. > So I suppose you have been against the closure of German reactors, right? I'm for closing of nuclear reactors. You ignore the other things I said: nuclear power plants work only in a political environment, where they got a state-support/owned monopoly. Who do you think insures them? Who do you think sets up the regulatory environment that the get a large part of the market, who do you think is setting up the environment for waste storage. Hint: it's the government. We have extremely costly state financed clean-up operations for nuclear waste storage. These are old reactors. To massively reduce the world co2 production, there is currently only ONE way known: massive scaling of renewable energy. The contribution of nuclear energy is neither cheap, nor clean, nor safe. It also does not scale. Nuclear energy stagnates since decades. Remember: China is bringing new coal power plants online, each week there are new ones. Thus the industrialized countries have the responsibility (and the opportunity) to develop and share renewable energy technology, to be able be much faster in deployment, with improving technology. It's the only cost effective way known, which also can make a sizeable contribution.
  - Herz 2y ago
    > Ever looked at uranium mining and nuclear fuel production? 90 percent of solar panel production is in Chinese hands, between slavery in Xinjiang and environmental impacts of rare earth mining. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0301421514006806 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03014... https://www.antislavery.org/latest/solar-panel-industry-uyghur-forced-labour/ https://www.antislavery.org/latest/solar-panel-industry-uygh... https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2024/03/28/solar-panel-production-is-struggling-to-stay-clear-of-forced-labor/ https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2024/03/28/solar-panel-productio... And on the transparency of China emission... https://environmentalprogress.org/big-news/2023/7/3/solar-panels-are-more-carbon-intensive-than-experts-will-admit https://environmentalprogress.org/big-news/2023/7/3/solar-pa... Do you have any data regarding uranium? Consindering that a typical 1,000 MWe Light Water Reactor (LWR) produces 20 to 30 tons of spent fuel per year. > Many countries still work with Russian Rosatom (even France), which has a track record for environmental catastrophes. Which catastrophes? > If this thing blows up, then what happens? Ahahaha you have to study nuclear energy more. > That's your opinion, it's not a fact. Don't think that your opinions are facts and thus automatically what other people say is wrong. Its cheap and clean, its a fact. https://app.electricitymaps.com/map https://app.electricitymaps.com/map https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=File:Ele_map_2023_S2_V1.png https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php... > nuclear power plants work only in a political environment, where they got a state-support/owned monopoly. German nuclear power worked, and you decided to shut it down, you certainly didn't shut it down because it didn't work. Your arguments are self-contradictory. Your comments are now indefensible, now you are self-contradictory, bring absurd arguments, and even deny facts.

by _19qg 2y ago

Herz 2y ago

I'm still trying to understand why EDF is considered problematic despite its ability to provide affordable and clean electricity nationwide. EDF outperforms other major European countries in this regard. While I support free competition and acknowledge that French nuclear energy might not be the best example of that, the fact remains that it delivers reliable, cheap, and clean electricity. This should be our primary focus, with room for improvement always available. An honest discourse should start with these facts, rather than solely moral viewpoints. > The German Wind Farm "Kaskasi". The Turbines were built by Siemens. The Wind Farm is owned by RWE, a private enterprise So I suppose you have been against the closure of German reactors, right? Like for example the one in Emsland, built by Siemens, and owned by RWE, exactly like the wind plant you take as an example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emsland_Nuclear_Power_Plant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emsland_Nuclear_Power_Plant

lispm 2y ago
Clean? Ever looked at uranium mining and nuclear fuel production? Many countries still work with Russian Rosatom (even France), which has a track record for environmental catastrophes. Btw., with Russia military attacking a nuclear power plant in the Ukraine. In Ukraine there is the constant danger of a second Tchernobyl, due to the Russian war against the Ukraine and its power plants : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaporizhzhia_Nuclear_Power_Plant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaporizhzhia_Nuclear_Power_Pla... . If this thing blows up, then what happens? > fact remains that it delivers reliable, cheap, and clean electricity That's your opinion, it's not a fact. Don't think that your opinions are facts and thus automatically what other people say is wrong. Be honest in communication with other people, so that your opinions are just opinions. You can argument in favor of your opinions, but they remain opinions and are not facts, just because YOU believe in them. > So I suppose you have been against the closure of German reactors, right? I'm for closing of nuclear reactors. You ignore the other things I said: nuclear power plants work only in a political environment, where they got a state-support/owned monopoly. Who do you think insures them? Who do you think sets up the regulatory environment that the get a large part of the market, who do you think is setting up the environment for waste storage. Hint: it's the government. We have extremely costly state financed clean-up operations for nuclear waste storage. These are old reactors. To massively reduce the world co2 production, there is currently only ONE way known: massive scaling of renewable energy. The contribution of nuclear energy is neither cheap, nor clean, nor safe. It also does not scale. Nuclear energy stagnates since decades. Remember: China is bringing new coal power plants online, each week there are new ones. Thus the industrialized countries have the responsibility (and the opportunity) to develop and share renewable energy technology, to be able be much faster in deployment, with improving technology. It's the only cost effective way known, which also can make a sizeable contribution.
- Herz 2y ago
  > Ever looked at uranium mining and nuclear fuel production? 90 percent of solar panel production is in Chinese hands, between slavery in Xinjiang and environmental impacts of rare earth mining. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0301421514006806 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03014... https://www.antislavery.org/latest/solar-panel-industry-uyghur-forced-labour/ https://www.antislavery.org/latest/solar-panel-industry-uygh... https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2024/03/28/solar-panel-production-is-struggling-to-stay-clear-of-forced-labor/ https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2024/03/28/solar-panel-productio... And on the transparency of China emission... https://environmentalprogress.org/big-news/2023/7/3/solar-panels-are-more-carbon-intensive-than-experts-will-admit https://environmentalprogress.org/big-news/2023/7/3/solar-pa... Do you have any data regarding uranium? Consindering that a typical 1,000 MWe Light Water Reactor (LWR) produces 20 to 30 tons of spent fuel per year. > Many countries still work with Russian Rosatom (even France), which has a track record for environmental catastrophes. Which catastrophes? > If this thing blows up, then what happens? Ahahaha you have to study nuclear energy more. > That's your opinion, it's not a fact. Don't think that your opinions are facts and thus automatically what other people say is wrong. Its cheap and clean, its a fact. https://app.electricitymaps.com/map https://app.electricitymaps.com/map https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=File:Ele_map_2023_S2_V1.png https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php... > nuclear power plants work only in a political environment, where they got a state-support/owned monopoly. German nuclear power worked, and you decided to shut it down, you certainly didn't shut it down because it didn't work. Your arguments are self-contradictory. Your comments are now indefensible, now you are self-contradictory, bring absurd arguments, and even deny facts.