4 ms·

Ford’s Blue Cruise is hands-off in mapped highways. Waymo is driverless. Musk is really getting away with all the hype for what Tesla cruise control delivers.

by hbarka 2y ago

vasco 2y ago
One interesting bit is that recently Nvidia's CEO said Tesla is ahead of the other companies in the space. My opinion is also that Tesla isn't but then we have a connundrum. Is Nvidia's CEO just saying this because Waymo doesn't buy GPUs from them? > “Tesla is far ahead in self-driving cars,” Huang said in an exclusive interview with Yahoo Finance. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nvidia-ceo-says-tesla-far-ahead-in-self-driving-tech-as-autonomous-driving-efforts-boost-chip-demand-181126677.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nvidia-ceo-says-tesla-far-ahe...
- tjoff 2y ago
  > Is Nvidia's CEO just saying this because Waymo doesn't buy GPUs from them? Yes.
  - kevincox 2y ago
    It's amazing how little you can trust these people even though you would expect that the CEO of NVIDIA has a reputation to maintain.
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
    - ffsm8 2y ago
      Did you forget the crypto and nft hype train presentations that Jensen did ~2 years ago?
      - tim333 2y ago
        Bear in mind he was selling shovels to the miners, not shilling coins, I think?
- blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
  > Is Nvidia's CEO just saying this because Waymo doesn't buy GPUs from them? Waymo works in limited places and relies on a ridiculous number of sensors. Have you seen one in real life with all its equipment? Surely that makes it less advanced or at less ambitious. Assuming something malicious about Nvidia’s CEO seems like a big leap.
  - debatem1 2y ago
    Ambition isn't the goal, self driving is. Who cares how many sensors it has as long as it works?
    - catlikesshrimp 2y ago
      > Who cares how many sensors it has as long as it works? Funny enough, The original topic was that looking sexier was more profitable than working.
    - krzyk 2y ago
      Well, if something will be prohibitively price it is just like not existing.
      - ffsm8 2y ago
        TIL that Porsche cars don't exist.
        krzyk 2y ago
        You know what I mean, don't catch me on words.
  - aurareturn 2y ago
    I've always wondered why adding more sensors to a self driving car was such a big deal. Yes, it makes the cars more expensive but at some point, these parts will get mass produced and they will be cheap as hell. The more data a car has, the better it should drive.
- cma 2y ago
  Nvidia's CEO said that a day after Elon raised a capital multi billion dollar capital round all spent on a 100,000 gpu Nvidia cluster for another of his companies, so it could easily just be flattery.
dzhiurgis 2y ago
Tesla is hands-off since a week ago (provided you are sunglass free and watching road).
- catlikesshrimp 2y ago
  It is really difficult to read if this is sarcasm or not, and I am not being sarcastic.
  - spdif899 2y ago
    Tesla's most recent version of FSD (which is released to a limited number of non-employee testers so far) uses only eye tracking for driver monitoring and does not require the user to touch the steering wheel as long as they are looking forward.
    - mrkeen 2y ago
      Right, I was confused. "Hands-off" intially sounded like it was trustworthy to drive itself. But in this case it means the car now trusts you to trust it by not putting your hands on the wheel?
      - dzhiurgis 2y ago
        Whole point is for two systems to monitor the road. If you think Waymo doesn’t have thousands of people doing the same but remotely - I have bridge to sell you.
        tjoff 2y ago
        For Tesla yes, because it can't be trusted. Allowing you to not touch the wheel while still expecting you to jump in at any time isn't an improvement by any measure. Any remote watcher can't be expected to avoid a crash in realtime. Waymo is trusted to behave safely without supervision, but of course they monitor everything to validate and improve.
    - 2y ago
mlindner 2y ago
Ford's Blue Cruise is not hands-off on mapped highways, only on portions of some highways where curves are shallow. And it can suddenly demand you take over in a failure mode that completely disables itself forcing you to instantly take over in a split second. Also it still kills people: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgFPW5esM04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgFPW5esM04
- FireBeyond 2y ago
  > And it can suddenly demand you take over in a failure mode that completely disables itself forcing you to instantly take over in a split second. Like FSD, too, you mean.

Ford’s Blue Cruise is hands-off in mapped highways. Waymo is driverless. Musk is really getting away with all the hype for what Tesla cruise control delivers.

by hbarka 2y ago

Ford’s Blue Cruise is hands-off in mapped highways. Waymo is driverless. Musk is really getting away with all the hype for what Tesla cruise control delivers.

vasco 2y ago

One interesting bit is that recently Nvidia's CEO said Tesla is ahead of the other companies in the space. My opinion is also that Tesla isn't but then we have a connundrum. Is Nvidia's CEO just saying this because Waymo doesn't buy GPUs from them? > “Tesla is far ahead in self-driving cars,” Huang said in an exclusive interview with Yahoo Finance. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nvidia-ceo-says-tesla-far-ahead-in-self-driving-tech-as-autonomous-driving-efforts-boost-chip-demand-181126677.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nvidia-ceo-says-tesla-far-ahe...

tjoff 2y ago
> Is Nvidia's CEO just saying this because Waymo doesn't buy GPUs from them? Yes.
- kevincox 2y ago
  It's amazing how little you can trust these people even though you would expect that the CEO of NVIDIA has a reputation to maintain.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - ffsm8 2y ago
    Did you forget the crypto and nft hype train presentations that Jensen did ~2 years ago?
    - tim333 2y ago
      Bear in mind he was selling shovels to the miners, not shilling coins, I think?
blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
> Is Nvidia's CEO just saying this because Waymo doesn't buy GPUs from them? Waymo works in limited places and relies on a ridiculous number of sensors. Have you seen one in real life with all its equipment? Surely that makes it less advanced or at less ambitious. Assuming something malicious about Nvidia’s CEO seems like a big leap.
- debatem1 2y ago
  Ambition isn't the goal, self driving is. Who cares how many sensors it has as long as it works?
  - catlikesshrimp 2y ago
    > Who cares how many sensors it has as long as it works? Funny enough, The original topic was that looking sexier was more profitable than working.
  - krzyk 2y ago
    Well, if something will be prohibitively price it is just like not existing.
    - ffsm8 2y ago
      TIL that Porsche cars don't exist.
      - krzyk 2y ago
        You know what I mean, don't catch me on words.
- aurareturn 2y ago
  I've always wondered why adding more sensors to a self driving car was such a big deal. Yes, it makes the cars more expensive but at some point, these parts will get mass produced and they will be cheap as hell. The more data a car has, the better it should drive.
cma 2y ago
Nvidia's CEO said that a day after Elon raised a capital multi billion dollar capital round all spent on a 100,000 gpu Nvidia cluster for another of his companies, so it could easily just be flattery.

dzhiurgis 2y ago

Tesla is hands-off since a week ago (provided you are sunglass free and watching road).

catlikesshrimp 2y ago
It is really difficult to read if this is sarcasm or not, and I am not being sarcastic.
- spdif899 2y ago
  Tesla's most recent version of FSD (which is released to a limited number of non-employee testers so far) uses only eye tracking for driver monitoring and does not require the user to touch the steering wheel as long as they are looking forward.
  - mrkeen 2y ago
    Right, I was confused. "Hands-off" intially sounded like it was trustworthy to drive itself. But in this case it means the car now trusts you to trust it by not putting your hands on the wheel?
    - dzhiurgis 2y ago
      Whole point is for two systems to monitor the road. If you think Waymo doesn’t have thousands of people doing the same but remotely - I have bridge to sell you.
      - tjoff 2y ago
        For Tesla yes, because it can't be trusted. Allowing you to not touch the wheel while still expecting you to jump in at any time isn't an improvement by any measure. Any remote watcher can't be expected to avoid a crash in realtime. Waymo is trusted to behave safely without supervision, but of course they monitor everything to validate and improve.
  - 2y ago

mlindner 2y ago

Ford's Blue Cruise is not hands-off on mapped highways, only on portions of some highways where curves are shallow. And it can suddenly demand you take over in a failure mode that completely disables itself forcing you to instantly take over in a split second. Also it still kills people: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgFPW5esM04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgFPW5esM04

FireBeyond 2y ago
> And it can suddenly demand you take over in a failure mode that completely disables itself forcing you to instantly take over in a split second. Like FSD, too, you mean.