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The thing I've been most amazed at about FSD is that there hasn't been any sort of lawsuit around FSD refunds. There are people who paid thousands to tens-of-t

The thing I've been most amazed at about FSD is that there hasn't been any sort of lawsuit around FSD refunds. There are people who paid thousands to tens-of-thousands of dollars for a promise that their car would eventually have "full self driving". A not-insignificant portion of those people have lost any chance at actually getting FSD, whether by their car being totaled in an accident, or having sold it, or such, without ever seeing working FSD. As far as I know there's no way to get a refund, and people very obviously didn't get "full self driving" as advertised by Elon, so it really does seem like some people paid for a promise that turned out to be nothing... which sounds like lawsuit material to me. There have also been multiple public promises that FSD would be delivered in a matter of years (like in 2016, the promise that "by the end of next year, FSD will take you across the country safely while you sleep"). If anyone bought FSD due to believing those promised timelines, that also seems like it would be a pretty strong case for a refund to me.

FiberBundle 2y ago
There have been lawsuits. I'm unable to find the actual documents, but this article [0] reports on it and has some unbelievable quotes in it. > Lin rejected Tesla's argument that LoSavio should have known earlier. "Although Tesla contends that it should have been obvious to LoSavio that his car needed lidar to self-drive and that his car did not have it, LoSavio plausibly alleges that he reasonably believed Tesla's claims that it could achieve self-driving with the car's existing hardware and that, if he diligently brought his car in for the required updates, the car would soon achieve the promised results," Lin wrote. EDIT: found the court document; the quote is in the last paragraph on page 5: https://regmedia.co.uk/2024/05/16/teslaamendedcomplaint.pdf https://regmedia.co.uk/2024/05/16/teslaamendedcomplaint.pdf [0] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/05/tesla-must-face-fraud-suit-for-claiming-its-cars-could-fully-drive-themselves/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/05/tesla-must-face-...
- ddalex 2y ago
  That's a very strange defense: you should have known we're lying you.
  - m463 2y ago
    > Coca-Cola dismissed the allegations as "ridiculous," on the grounds that "no consumer could reasonably be misled into thinking Vitaminwater was a healthy beverage" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Brands#Legal_disputes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Brands#Legal_disputes
Too 2y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40408455 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40408455 Tesla must face vehicle owners' lawsuit over self-driving claims. 26 days ago.
mrkeen 2y ago
> There have also been multiple public promises that FSD would be delivered in a matter of years This is a fun read, even if it only goes up to 2021: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/fsd-timeline-promises-summary.235180/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/fsd-timeline-promise...

FiberBundle 2y ago

There have been lawsuits. I'm unable to find the actual documents, but this article [0] reports on it and has some unbelievable quotes in it. > Lin rejected Tesla's argument that LoSavio should have known earlier. "Although Tesla contends that it should have been obvious to LoSavio that his car needed lidar to self-drive and that his car did not have it, LoSavio plausibly alleges that he reasonably believed Tesla's claims that it could achieve self-driving with the car's existing hardware and that, if he diligently brought his car in for the required updates, the car would soon achieve the promised results," Lin wrote. EDIT: found the court document; the quote is in the last paragraph on page 5: https://regmedia.co.uk/2024/05/16/teslaamendedcomplaint.pdf https://regmedia.co.uk/2024/05/16/teslaamendedcomplaint.pdf [0] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/05/tesla-must-face-fraud-suit-for-claiming-its-cars-could-fully-drive-themselves/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/05/tesla-must-face-...

ddalex 2y ago
That's a very strange defense: you should have known we're lying you.
- m463 2y ago
  > Coca-Cola dismissed the allegations as "ridiculous," on the grounds that "no consumer could reasonably be misled into thinking Vitaminwater was a healthy beverage" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Brands#Legal_disputes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Brands#Legal_disputes

Too 2y ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40408455 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40408455 Tesla must face vehicle owners' lawsuit over self-driving claims. 26 days ago.

mrkeen 2y ago

> There have also been multiple public promises that FSD would be delivered in a matter of years This is a fun read, even if it only goes up to 2021: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/fsd-timeline-promises-summary.235180/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/fsd-timeline-promise...