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PaperTapeReader: A DIY reader for vintage 8-bit paper tapes

102 points by jnord 2y ago

llm_trw 2y ago
I did one of these as a proof of concept for storing gpg keys long term, securely and offline. My version didn't use a motor and required a human to pull the tape through, had a set of guide holes down the middle to indicate when a bit was to be read and used LEDs as both the light sources and the photo receptors. All in all a rather fun project which worked much better than it had any right to. Never did find a material which had the longevity of aluminium foil with the durability of 35mm film stock.
- _Microft 2y ago
  How did you write data onto the tape?
  - llm_trw 2y ago
    For the paper version, which is the only one I tested, I used a co2 laser to burn the holes, a jig to center tape and a pin to index the holes.
- ComputerGuru 2y ago
  For something as short as a gpg key, you can easily use stamped brass “tape” 0.1-3mm in thickness. You can roll it like tape if it’s thin enough or just store it as a bar if your pattern is dense enough. (Also note that OP’s version doesn’t require a motor either and can be actuated by hand, per TFA.)
- theophrastus 2y ago
  Here's from 2014 with some capacity calculations [0]. "ssh private key (900 bytes): 15 feet of tape." [0] https://heepy.net/index.php/Data_storage_capacity_of_teletype_paper_tape https://heepy.net/index.php/Data_storage_capacity_of_teletyp...
  - Nzen 2y ago
    If we prefer paper but relax the teletype constraint, Oleh Yuschuk's PaperBack [0] allows encoding 500 KB on a sheet of printer paper. [0] https://ollydbg.de/Paperbak https://ollydbg.de/Paperbak (posted various times to HN)
- shrubble 2y ago
  CNC machines which use paper tape, use a form of Mylar.
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  https://www.dymo.com/labels-tapes/embossing-tapes/dymo-non-adhesive-aluminum-embossing-tape/SAP_31000.html https://www.dymo.com/labels-tapes/embossing-tapes/dymo-non-a... ? https://theforestrystore.com/collections/aluminum-tags/products/butter-soft-aluminum-tree-tags https://theforestrystore.com/collections/aluminum-tags/produ... ?
- kjs3 2y ago
  A friend had a commercial paper tape reader (don't recall who made it) from the S-100/8080/CP-M homebrew era built exactly like that. It was the 'inexpensive' version (they had motorized versions), and was finicky but worked OK for small amounts of code. CP/M actually has a built-in papertape reader device in bios called RDR: (tho it was often repurposed for other kinds of devices).
9659 2y ago
Nice project. I like the idea of using the fill of the input buffer to control the motor speed. Excellent. For those that never have used paper tape, it had one big advantage. You could edit it. Using tape and a pair of scissors. Storing more than 1K or 2K in a roll becomes unwieldy to store and carry around. And do not drop it so it comes unrolled !!
- jgalt212 2y ago
  but probably less catastrophic than dropping a box of punched cards.
  - noizejoy 2y ago
    > but probably less catastrophic than dropping a box of punched cards. unless they were sequence numbered and you had a sorting machine[0] :-) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_card_sorter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_card_sorter
    - 9659 2y ago
      or, feed the cards into a reader. put them in a file. sort the file. send the file to a cardpunch. recycle the original card deck i don't remember how to do this on a CDC mainframe, but at one time in my life it would only have taken 15 minutes. of which 14 minutes would be waiting for my job to run.
- SoftTalker 2y ago
  Would ordinary tape work? Paper tape was lightly impregnated with oil to lubricate the punches and the tape handling mechanisms. I'm surprised that tape would stick to it very well.
  - 9659 2y ago
    my experience was with an ASR-33. The paper was not oiled and it did not travel all that fast through the reader. yes, i used ordinary scotch tape. how it was done: punch your 'patch'. make sure there are a couple of feet of nothing before and after (no data, just paper with the sprocket holes in it). cut into the 'master' tape at the right point. tape in your patch. duplicate the 'master' to make a new master. the ASR-33 had a mode where it would duplicate a tape.
ankush263 2y ago
Nice project
N0b8ez 2y ago
How about a paper tape writer/puncher? Anyone made one of those?
- kjs3 2y ago
  Lots of people made them back in the day (70s). Not much call for it this century, but there's plenty of retrocomputing types that would likely give it a go if prodded.

102 points by jnord 2y ago

I did one of these as a proof of concept for storing gpg keys long term, securely and offline. My version didn't use a motor and required a human to pull the tape through, had a set of guide holes down the middle to indicate when a bit was to be read and used LEDs as both the light sources and the photo receptors. All in all a rather fun project which worked much better than it had any right to. Never did find a material which had the longevity of aluminium foil with the durability of 35mm film stock.

_Microft 2y ago
How did you write data onto the tape?
- llm_trw 2y ago
  For the paper version, which is the only one I tested, I used a co2 laser to burn the holes, a jig to center tape and a pin to index the holes.
ComputerGuru 2y ago
For something as short as a gpg key, you can easily use stamped brass “tape” 0.1-3mm in thickness. You can roll it like tape if it’s thin enough or just store it as a bar if your pattern is dense enough. (Also note that OP’s version doesn’t require a motor either and can be actuated by hand, per TFA.)
theophrastus 2y ago
Here's from 2014 with some capacity calculations [0]. "ssh private key (900 bytes): 15 feet of tape." [0] https://heepy.net/index.php/Data_storage_capacity_of_teletype_paper_tape https://heepy.net/index.php/Data_storage_capacity_of_teletyp...
- Nzen 2y ago
  If we prefer paper but relax the teletype constraint, Oleh Yuschuk's PaperBack [0] allows encoding 500 KB on a sheet of printer paper. [0] https://ollydbg.de/Paperbak https://ollydbg.de/Paperbak (posted various times to HN)
shrubble 2y ago
CNC machines which use paper tape, use a form of Mylar.
082349872349872 2y ago
https://www.dymo.com/labels-tapes/embossing-tapes/dymo-non-adhesive-aluminum-embossing-tape/SAP_31000.html https://www.dymo.com/labels-tapes/embossing-tapes/dymo-non-a... ? https://theforestrystore.com/collections/aluminum-tags/products/butter-soft-aluminum-tree-tags https://theforestrystore.com/collections/aluminum-tags/produ... ?
kjs3 2y ago
A friend had a commercial paper tape reader (don't recall who made it) from the S-100/8080/CP-M homebrew era built exactly like that. It was the 'inexpensive' version (they had motorized versions), and was finicky but worked OK for small amounts of code. CP/M actually has a built-in papertape reader device in bios called RDR: (tho it was often repurposed for other kinds of devices).

9659 2y ago

Nice project. I like the idea of using the fill of the input buffer to control the motor speed. Excellent. For those that never have used paper tape, it had one big advantage. You could edit it. Using tape and a pair of scissors. Storing more than 1K or 2K in a roll becomes unwieldy to store and carry around. And do not drop it so it comes unrolled !!

jgalt212 2y ago
but probably less catastrophic than dropping a box of punched cards.
- noizejoy 2y ago
  > but probably less catastrophic than dropping a box of punched cards. unless they were sequence numbered and you had a sorting machine[0] :-) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_card_sorter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_card_sorter
  - 9659 2y ago
    or, feed the cards into a reader. put them in a file. sort the file. send the file to a cardpunch. recycle the original card deck i don't remember how to do this on a CDC mainframe, but at one time in my life it would only have taken 15 minutes. of which 14 minutes would be waiting for my job to run.
SoftTalker 2y ago
Would ordinary tape work? Paper tape was lightly impregnated with oil to lubricate the punches and the tape handling mechanisms. I'm surprised that tape would stick to it very well.
- 9659 2y ago
  my experience was with an ASR-33. The paper was not oiled and it did not travel all that fast through the reader. yes, i used ordinary scotch tape. how it was done: punch your 'patch'. make sure there are a couple of feet of nothing before and after (no data, just paper with the sprocket holes in it). cut into the 'master' tape at the right point. tape in your patch. duplicate the 'master' to make a new master. the ASR-33 had a mode where it would duplicate a tape.

ankush263 2y ago

Nice project

N0b8ez 2y ago

How about a paper tape writer/puncher? Anyone made one of those?

kjs3 2y ago
Lots of people made them back in the day (70s). Not much call for it this century, but there's plenty of retrocomputing types that would likely give it a go if prodded.