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This pretty much jibes with my experience. Autopilot has phantom breaking still, but navigate-on-autopilot feels more predictable on the freeway and more useful
by Shank 2y ago
This pretty much jibes with my experience. Autopilot has phantom breaking still, but navigate-on-autopilot feels more predictable on the freeway and more useful than FSD. The fact that v12 has “exited beta” and is now the “Supervised” mode doesn’t give me confidence right now. The iterative progress it went through during the beta was really good — I felt that each point release was getting closer to a polished system that could be trusted. The v12 stack supposedly replaced all of the prior work with “photons in, photons out” straight neural networks, but I think this simply didn’t result in the stability the system needs. The v12 software behaves pathologically in situations where autopilot is excellent.
As a concrete example, it routinely switches out of the current lane to “follow route” and then immediately slams on the brakes to slow down, when no turn or exit is present. Then it turns on the signal and dutifully tries to get back into the previous lane. On screen, it says it’s wanting to change into a faster lane. This will happen multiple times on the same road. This is on CA-57 northbound in SoCal —- an area where I would expect there to be pretty good testing.
Personally, AP / navigate-on-autopilot is still superior. On city streets, sure, FSD can sort-of manage. But it isn’t trustworthy enough for me to use it.
- iknowstuff 2y agoFSD 12 is not used on freeways. City streets only. You’re observing behavior of the old stack if you’re seeing notices for lane change reasoning. They’ll be unifying it later this year.
- jasoncartwright 2y agoAh yes, of course - we just have to wait for the next version. The response seen in the Twitter replies, YouTube comments and now HN comments to descriptions of FSD foulups for the best part of a decade now.
- drcode 2y agohe/she was explicitly saying v12 was making an error, and someone corrected to say that it wasn't using v12 yet in that specific case nobody is trying to shift goalposts
- jasoncartwright 2y agoFixed later this year!
- iknowstuff 2y agoStop treating it like it’s a sports team you dislike. If it’s good, people will pay for it, and if not, they won’t.
- tzs 2y agoWhy are they doing it that way? I'd have expected things like that to roll out on freeways first and later come to city streets, because freeways should be an easier case since you don't have oncoming traffic, cross traffic, pedestrians, bicycles, and traffic lights to deal with.