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> I’ve had a Model Y for more than 3 years now, well before Elon revealed himself as the kind of person he really is, and I’ve been happy with it. > When I buy

by sneak 2y ago

> I’ve had a Model Y for more than 3 years now, well before Elon revealed himself as the kind of person he really is, and I’ve been happy with it. > When I buy my next car, my requirements will be simple: I want an EV, an extensive charger network along I-80, and an autosteer that’s at least as good as what I have today. Let’s hope there’ll be decent Tesla alternatives by then. Gee, I wonder if this is going to be an unbiased review of the technology.

dmix 2y ago
This HN thread will be full of it too soon enough.
ggm 2y ago
Would it be unfair to ask if you like the current FSD and think its on track, or if you don't. Or, the third option of not wanting FSD at all because I'm trying to work out what systematic bias you expect to see here.
ZeroGravitas 2y ago
Conversely, I'd worry about the impartiality of any Tesla review that didn't prominently disclaim that yes, they are aware Musk is acting like a loon recently.
- sneak 2y ago
  You can’t make two million automobiles a year and two stage orbital rockets while “acting like a loon”. Either Tesla and SpaceX are not congruent and coterminous with Elon, or he’s doing fine. Either way, the ad hominem has no place in the discussion of the works of the companies he runs. Both Tesla and SpaceX are kicking ass, so either you have to give him credit for it, or you have to stop bashing the company if you don’t.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    > You can’t make two million automobiles a year and two stage orbital rockets while “acting like a loon”. If it wasn't for the counter-example of Musk demonstrating that exact combination, I'd agree. I don't know if all the stuff with, say, Twitter (usage as well as ownership), is him blowing off steam, or if he managed to build up leadership teams in Tesla and SpaceX that can just work around him, but somehow, somehow, he's managed to be exactly what SpaceX and Tesla needed to turn from a joke into a success… while also still being a lunatic with TBC and Twitter. Even with Tesla, even though the company needed someone with his showmanship to get anywhere, the $420 privatisation thing, the way FSD turned from a fantastic surprise into a neck-millstone of overpromising and under-delivering are bizarre own-goals.
mvdtnz 2y ago
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by sneak 2y ago

dmix 2y ago

This HN thread will be full of it too soon enough.

ggm 2y ago

Would it be unfair to ask if you like the current FSD and think its on track, or if you don't. Or, the third option of not wanting FSD at all because I'm trying to work out what systematic bias you expect to see here.

ZeroGravitas 2y ago

Conversely, I'd worry about the impartiality of any Tesla review that didn't prominently disclaim that yes, they are aware Musk is acting like a loon recently.

sneak 2y ago
You can’t make two million automobiles a year and two stage orbital rockets while “acting like a loon”. Either Tesla and SpaceX are not congruent and coterminous with Elon, or he’s doing fine. Either way, the ad hominem has no place in the discussion of the works of the companies he runs. Both Tesla and SpaceX are kicking ass, so either you have to give him credit for it, or you have to stop bashing the company if you don’t.
- ben_w 2y ago
  > You can’t make two million automobiles a year and two stage orbital rockets while “acting like a loon”. If it wasn't for the counter-example of Musk demonstrating that exact combination, I'd agree. I don't know if all the stuff with, say, Twitter (usage as well as ownership), is him blowing off steam, or if he managed to build up leadership teams in Tesla and SpaceX that can just work around him, but somehow, somehow, he's managed to be exactly what SpaceX and Tesla needed to turn from a joke into a success… while also still being a lunatic with TBC and Twitter. Even with Tesla, even though the company needed someone with his showmanship to get anywhere, the $420 privatisation thing, the way FSD turned from a fantastic surprise into a neck-millstone of overpromising and under-delivering are bizarre own-goals.

mvdtnz 2y ago

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