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Yes I think if the walls between Gaza and Israel came down it would be a moment like the taking down of the Berlin wall. Two people, ruled by the same governmen
by aprilthird2021 2y ago
Yes I think if the walls between Gaza and Israel came down it would be a moment like the taking down of the Berlin wall. Two people, ruled by the same government, finally experiencing the same rights, same freedoms, same status, etc.
How to tear down that wall without the extremists trying to kill their "enemies" on each side first, that no one has the answer to
- woodruffw 2y agoRegardless of your outlook on I/P, I don't think either side agrees that they currently do (or particularly want to) share the same government. (That's not to assert my own view. But to compare it to the Berlin Wall seems faulty.)
- aprilthird2021 2y agoThey may not agree but the fact on the ground is that the Israeli government does not recognize any Palestinian state, so the people in Palestine are thus under the control of the Israeli state or they are stateless refugees with a right to return (to Israel). Either way, they are the responsibility of Israel the way Israel's government sees it. What people want is one thing. What governments do is the official thing, that's what I refer to
- woodruffw 2y agoI don’t particularly disagree with the bulk of this comment. But I’ll note that it’s substantially different than your original one, which is not about responsibility but about a hypothetical peace that would spontaneously occur if Israel would unilaterally drop its campaign. I don’t think that’s realistic, even though I agree that the side with a functional state bears additional responsibility.
- lazyasciiart 2y agoIt would probably be a good start if Israel just stopped bombing or otherwise closing Palestine's sea front or land borders with other countries. They don't even have to open their own border to civilians trying to escape their air strikes!
- dralley 2y agoAre you familiar with the history of how those walls went up? Hint: it has something to do with more than one thousand civilian deaths caused by suicide bombers coming from Gaza in the late 1990s and early 2000s, which almost completely stopped after the walls and checkpoints were installed. Now Hamas uses rockets instead, but those were much less dangerous on average than the bombings that were employed beforehand.
- lazyasciiart 2y agoThe walls I said they don't need to bring down? Yes, I am familiar. I don't know what point you are trying to make.
- aprilthird2021 2y agoWe can play the are you familiar with history game forever. They don't just bomb people because they're crazy barbarians. They do it because they have been forced from their homes and constantly had their villages and homes raided, burned, destroyed, and built on top of by Israeli settlers who the army protects. The entire West Bank is like this, and it's not surprising they turned to whatever tactics they could to stop the same from happening to them in Gaza. And you can understand why normal Israelis feel threatened by such things, so they build a wall and on and on.
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- wesselbindt 2y ago> How to tear down that wall without the extremists trying to kill their "enemies" on each side first, that no one has the answer to South Africa does. They did it. Ending apartheid there (without splitting up into two countries, one for blacks, one for whites) actually stopped the gruesome ANC actions. There's some beautiful idiom about history and repetition that applies but I don't recall it.