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That's called moderation, dude! :P I think some moderation is important so things don't get out of control.

by dreamworld 2y ago

llm_trw 2y ago
So do the Imans in Iran. Least they stop hanging homosexuals on cranes.
- viraptor 2y ago
  You're mixing moderation with punishment outside of the platform. Those things are extremely different.
  - sph 2y ago
    No, they are exactly the same, but taken to their extreme, yet inherent evolution. Putting you in jail or hanging you for "illegal speech" are just two degrees of punishment for violating the laws of the land, as it were. The degree of punishment is just a cultural thing. The only question is one: are you free, or not? No one is forcing you to use free-speech platforms, but to criticize them you need to understand what freedom means in the first place.
    - viraptor 2y ago
      This thread is not about jail, but preventing you from posting something on a specific platform. (Moderation) If you think that's exactly the same as hanging people, you need to talk to actual people outside...
      - llm_trw 2y ago
        Again, the Imans would love to moderate your internet. They don't want to hang you for it. They just want you to never hear anything positive about homosexuality and the people they are hanging. Understanding this is very difficult for people who support their governments form of censorship, like everyone working at googleface.
        ArneBab 2y ago
        Did you see that there is nowadays information about abortion on the original Freenet (now Hyphanet)? I for sure did not expect that this would be needed for people in the USA. But that’s what happened.
        dreamworld 2y ago
        On the other hand, moderation can stop troll farms posting negative things about homosexuality non-stop. And it can help stop things like doxxing and promoting criminal activity and downright evil stuff. I don't oppose privacy tools existing, specially for edge cases like investigative journalism and oppressive regimes as you mentioned. I mostly oppose people using and promoting unmoderated or inadequately moderated services. I guess what's being discussed here is mostly infrastructure not services, but still I think the infrastructure may be able to help promote or facilitate healthy services. I've seen the outsized harm free for all spaces (usually "for teh lulz") can do to society, when we thought it was just innocent "shitposting". I encourage people to participate in spaces where you know there's ethical moderation (that also leaves leeway for cultural differences), avoid otherwise, and don't encourage anyone to participate there. I think HN is a pretty good example of that.

That's called moderation, dude! :P I think some moderation is important so things don't get out of control.

llm_trw 2y ago

So do the Imans in Iran. Least they stop hanging homosexuals on cranes.

viraptor 2y ago
You're mixing moderation with punishment outside of the platform. Those things are extremely different.
- sph 2y ago
  No, they are exactly the same, but taken to their extreme, yet inherent evolution. Putting you in jail or hanging you for "illegal speech" are just two degrees of punishment for violating the laws of the land, as it were. The degree of punishment is just a cultural thing. The only question is one: are you free, or not? No one is forcing you to use free-speech platforms, but to criticize them you need to understand what freedom means in the first place.
  - viraptor 2y ago
    This thread is not about jail, but preventing you from posting something on a specific platform. (Moderation) If you think that's exactly the same as hanging people, you need to talk to actual people outside...
    - llm_trw 2y ago
      Again, the Imans would love to moderate your internet. They don't want to hang you for it. They just want you to never hear anything positive about homosexuality and the people they are hanging. Understanding this is very difficult for people who support their governments form of censorship, like everyone working at googleface.
      - ArneBab 2y ago
        Did you see that there is nowadays information about abortion on the original Freenet (now Hyphanet)? I for sure did not expect that this would be needed for people in the USA. But that’s what happened.
      - dreamworld 2y ago
        On the other hand, moderation can stop troll farms posting negative things about homosexuality non-stop. And it can help stop things like doxxing and promoting criminal activity and downright evil stuff. I don't oppose privacy tools existing, specially for edge cases like investigative journalism and oppressive regimes as you mentioned. I mostly oppose people using and promoting unmoderated or inadequately moderated services. I guess what's being discussed here is mostly infrastructure not services, but still I think the infrastructure may be able to help promote or facilitate healthy services. I've seen the outsized harm free for all spaces (usually "for teh lulz") can do to society, when we thought it was just innocent "shitposting". I encourage people to participate in spaces where you know there's ethical moderation (that also leaves leeway for cultural differences), avoid otherwise, and don't encourage anyone to participate there. I think HN is a pretty good example of that.