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Your views on Musk changed precisely when everyone else's did, when he started challenging the establishment on critical points, like their support for rampant

Your views on Musk changed precisely when everyone else's did, when he started challenging the establishment on critical points, like their support for rampant censorship of Twitter and other social media sites (e.g. removing the Hunter Biden story before the election and permanently banning users if they used certain gender pronoun conventions). No one who drives a Tesla thinks that the driver assist features are intended to or capable of autonomous driving. The naming, whatever you may think of it, is massively overrided by the strongly worded warnings and instructions that are abundantly and repeatedly displayed to the driver, that effectively and unambiguously convey to the driver that they must be engaged while using the driver assist features. If you want to criticize the naming for being inaccurate even if they argue it's intended to be a forwarding looking statement of aspirations, I would accept that criticism as arguably justified. But that the driver is fully aware of their responsibilities is beyond any doubt. Blaming Tesla for its autopilot disengaging 0.1s before impact in a number of accidents is therefore unjustified.

toss1 2y ago
>>Your views on Musk changed precisely when everyone else's did NO they did not. If I was like you, I'd over-generalize and say that "you are just like every other right-wing nutter who only believes a limited view of the world and must slam any other view, regardless of how disconneced from the facts..." But I won't. I'll explain that my view changed when Musk went from delivering as much or more than he claimed, as was the case with early SpaceX and Tesla. to massively over-promising and under-delivering, e.g., now nearly a decade late on his FSD, so late on Starship that his first cricumlunar customer already bailed, making inflated promises about AI, lying about OpenAI, delivering Cybertruck a half-decade late and with crappy quality, etc., etc., etc. One particular turning point was when he argued about software engineering in public with one of Twitter's lead engineers, and it was obvious to me (with some background in commercial software) that Musk was nothing but bluster and bullshit; it became clear he is not a master engineer, he's a master manipulator. I have far less respect for the latter. As you can see, it has absolutely zero to do with whatever 'anti-establishment' carp you are ranting on about. But you seem to enjoy your fact-free life more, so carry on.
- ETH_start 2y ago
  Musk has always over-promised. The entirely left-wing establishment news media turned on him when he started criticizing the sacred cows of and growing support for censorship by the political left, which mainstream journalists, unionized as they all are, try to show solidarity with. All his faults came into laser focus, and a disproportionate share of coverage became negative in its slant. Nothing in his entrepreneurial strategy changed since 2018. Ordinary people just don't appreciate how ideologically biased mainstream news media is, so are taken in by the change in how they choose to portray him.
  - defrost 2y ago
    > Musk has always over-promised. Yes he has, we're in agreement. > The entirely left-wing establishment news media You opened your mind too far here and your brain may have fallen out. Have you heard of Fox News and the Murdoch empire? Could you explain how either Murdoch isn't part of the US establishment news media or how it is that he's "left-wing" ?
    - ETH_start 2y ago
      News Corp and its subsidiaries own well under 10% of newspapers and TV networks in the US, and being outliers as they are, they are incessantly attacked. Where do you think the media and political power concentrates in the US? The Republican party or the Democratic Party? 89% of cities with a population > 100,000 in the US have a Democrat mayor. All of the public sector unions support the Democrats. All of the news guilds, and most of their members, support the Democrats. Almost all of academia supports the Democrats. Law firms donate five times more to the Democrats than to Republicans. The political class is intimately linked to the legal profession. Judge Kathaleen McCormick, who rescinded Elon Musk's $55 billion Tesla compensation package, against the will of the company's board and 80% of its shareholders, worked at Young Conaway before her Delaware Chancery Court Judge appointment. In 2016, Hunter Biden organized a gubernatorial campaign event for Congressman John Carney, featuring then-Vice President Joe Biden as the guest speaker. The event was held at the Law Offices of Young Conaway in Wilmington, Delaware. The lawyers who won the lawsuit against Musk thanks to McCormick's ruling are now asking for $5.5 billion in Tesla stock, for their legal fees. Giving to Democrat-allied lawyers and taking from technologists. >Yes he has, we're in agreement. I'm not surprised you agree with me on the one negative thing I've said about him. Entirely predictable.

toss1 2y ago

>>Your views on Musk changed precisely when everyone else's did NO they did not. If I was like you, I'd over-generalize and say that "you are just like every other right-wing nutter who only believes a limited view of the world and must slam any other view, regardless of how disconneced from the facts..." But I won't. I'll explain that my view changed when Musk went from delivering as much or more than he claimed, as was the case with early SpaceX and Tesla. to massively over-promising and under-delivering, e.g., now nearly a decade late on his FSD, so late on Starship that his first cricumlunar customer already bailed, making inflated promises about AI, lying about OpenAI, delivering Cybertruck a half-decade late and with crappy quality, etc., etc., etc. One particular turning point was when he argued about software engineering in public with one of Twitter's lead engineers, and it was obvious to me (with some background in commercial software) that Musk was nothing but bluster and bullshit; it became clear he is not a master engineer, he's a master manipulator. I have far less respect for the latter. As you can see, it has absolutely zero to do with whatever 'anti-establishment' carp you are ranting on about. But you seem to enjoy your fact-free life more, so carry on.

ETH_start 2y ago
Musk has always over-promised. The entirely left-wing establishment news media turned on him when he started criticizing the sacred cows of and growing support for censorship by the political left, which mainstream journalists, unionized as they all are, try to show solidarity with. All his faults came into laser focus, and a disproportionate share of coverage became negative in its slant. Nothing in his entrepreneurial strategy changed since 2018. Ordinary people just don't appreciate how ideologically biased mainstream news media is, so are taken in by the change in how they choose to portray him.
- defrost 2y ago
  > Musk has always over-promised. Yes he has, we're in agreement. > The entirely left-wing establishment news media You opened your mind too far here and your brain may have fallen out. Have you heard of Fox News and the Murdoch empire? Could you explain how either Murdoch isn't part of the US establishment news media or how it is that he's "left-wing" ?
  - ETH_start 2y ago
    News Corp and its subsidiaries own well under 10% of newspapers and TV networks in the US, and being outliers as they are, they are incessantly attacked. Where do you think the media and political power concentrates in the US? The Republican party or the Democratic Party? 89% of cities with a population > 100,000 in the US have a Democrat mayor. All of the public sector unions support the Democrats. All of the news guilds, and most of their members, support the Democrats. Almost all of academia supports the Democrats. Law firms donate five times more to the Democrats than to Republicans. The political class is intimately linked to the legal profession. Judge Kathaleen McCormick, who rescinded Elon Musk's $55 billion Tesla compensation package, against the will of the company's board and 80% of its shareholders, worked at Young Conaway before her Delaware Chancery Court Judge appointment. In 2016, Hunter Biden organized a gubernatorial campaign event for Congressman John Carney, featuring then-Vice President Joe Biden as the guest speaker. The event was held at the Law Offices of Young Conaway in Wilmington, Delaware. The lawyers who won the lawsuit against Musk thanks to McCormick's ruling are now asking for $5.5 billion in Tesla stock, for their legal fees. Giving to Democrat-allied lawyers and taking from technologists. >Yes he has, we're in agreement. I'm not surprised you agree with me on the one negative thing I've said about him. Entirely predictable.