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You’ve got a point. Presuming you are correct, what do you think happens when the team has been culled? Union busting & screen tracking already works pretty we

You’ve got a point. Presuming you are correct, what do you think happens when the team has been culled? Union busting & screen tracking already works pretty well as is for the goals you’ve outline. We usually think about tracking/measurement as Big Brother looking over our shoulder, but all of us are living a day-to-day reality of losing context and having to invest a lot of effort and time to get it back (usually only partially).

godelski 2y ago
> Union busting & screen tracking already works pretty well as is for the goals you’ve outline. I don't think I understand your point here. It feels as if you're framing this as a binary decision/outcome. Personally I see Relay making such abuse easier. So I don't think the existence of bad acts in any way lessens the potential harm of Relay. > We usually think about tracking/measurement as Big Brother looking over our shoulder, but all of us are living a day-to-day reality of losing context and having to invest a lot of effort and time to get it back (usually only partially). I also don't understand this. Do you keep notes? If the problem is quite large for you, I think you should take more notes and likely better notes (a skill in of itself). Yes, this has cost, but so does everything. There is no free lunch. But notes are distilled while technologies like Relay are dragnets. And at the root of your argument is the recognition that information is powerful. So you have to ask what information has power and to who. Because information that may not be useful to you may be useful to others who wish to use power against you. And in those scenarios, I don't know about you, but I'd rather have distilled information, and more specifically be more aware of what information is being stored, than just scoop up everything. Personally, I just don't think it is very hard to take notes.
neltnerb 2y ago
> what do you think happens when the team has been culled? I'm not quite sure what you mean, I see this as a long term trend that doesn't really have an end point. There are always people that some manager wants to get rid of, for performance or unrelated reasons. Employers are scared of getting sued for wrongful termination. Often they do it anyway, but then they need to make up a reason. They're decent at it already, but my prediction is that wrongful termination will become far more widespread and harder to detect or fight in court. It won't stop though.

godelski 2y ago

> Union busting & screen tracking already works pretty well as is for the goals you’ve outline. I don't think I understand your point here. It feels as if you're framing this as a binary decision/outcome. Personally I see Relay making such abuse easier. So I don't think the existence of bad acts in any way lessens the potential harm of Relay. > We usually think about tracking/measurement as Big Brother looking over our shoulder, but all of us are living a day-to-day reality of losing context and having to invest a lot of effort and time to get it back (usually only partially). I also don't understand this. Do you keep notes? If the problem is quite large for you, I think you should take more notes and likely better notes (a skill in of itself). Yes, this has cost, but so does everything. There is no free lunch. But notes are distilled while technologies like Relay are dragnets. And at the root of your argument is the recognition that information is powerful. So you have to ask what information has power and to who. Because information that may not be useful to you may be useful to others who wish to use power against you. And in those scenarios, I don't know about you, but I'd rather have distilled information, and more specifically be more aware of what information is being stored, than just scoop up everything. Personally, I just don't think it is very hard to take notes.

neltnerb 2y ago

> what do you think happens when the team has been culled? I'm not quite sure what you mean, I see this as a long term trend that doesn't really have an end point. There are always people that some manager wants to get rid of, for performance or unrelated reasons. Employers are scared of getting sued for wrongful termination. Often they do it anyway, but then they need to make up a reason. They're decent at it already, but my prediction is that wrongful termination will become far more widespread and harder to detect or fight in court. It won't stop though.