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If that's the case, why don't they sell Teams activity data to companies? I mean, after you're idle for 5 minutes, Teams detects this and changes your status to

If that's the case, why don't they sell Teams activity data to companies? I mean, after you're idle for 5 minutes, Teams detects this and changes your status to "idle". Following your reasoning, they should be selling this data already.

ethbr1 2y ago
You mean Viva Insights? (formerly Workplace Analytics) https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-viva/insights https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-viva/insights
- JW_00000 2y ago
  Does this allow seeing how long an an employee was idle, or just whether they were in meetings?
  - ethbr1 2y ago
    As of now, Microsoft seems to be boiling the frog slowly by marketing derived analytics. I believe they're less-than-specific on what goes into the mix. E.g. "Employees that might be suffering burnout and need attention" Which I can see for both PR optics and product reasons. If they retain the secret sauce and raw data, it makes it more difficult for others to go over-the-top and compete.
pydry 2y ago
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/teams-analytics-and-reports/teams-reporting-reference https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/teams-analy...
- JW_00000 2y ago
  As far as I can tell, this does not allow the employer to see whether employees were idle or not. It does allow tracking of how much time they spent in meetings and how many chat messages they sent.
  - neltnerb 2y ago
    Why are you focused on idle time? You don't think a LLM can try to answer other questions? Do you think Microsoft will prevent their paying customers (the companies) from querying, "What is the strongest legal reason to fire <person> based on the past three years of activity on this computer?" Their sales team would be absolute fools not to point out how much easier it makes it for a manager to see historically whether someone is performing tasks as they are specified in some formal handbook. The difference between doing that for reasonable reasons and doing that for post-hoc justification of targeted reprisals is in the mind of the manager and nowhere else. Maybe unspoken, but incredibly obvious. "Give me the man and I will give you the case against him."

ethbr1 2y ago

You mean Viva Insights? (formerly Workplace Analytics) https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-viva/insights https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-viva/insights

JW_00000 2y ago
Does this allow seeing how long an an employee was idle, or just whether they were in meetings?
- ethbr1 2y ago
  As of now, Microsoft seems to be boiling the frog slowly by marketing derived analytics. I believe they're less-than-specific on what goes into the mix. E.g. "Employees that might be suffering burnout and need attention" Which I can see for both PR optics and product reasons. If they retain the secret sauce and raw data, it makes it more difficult for others to go over-the-top and compete.

pydry 2y ago

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/teams-analytics-and-reports/teams-reporting-reference https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/teams-analy...

JW_00000 2y ago
As far as I can tell, this does not allow the employer to see whether employees were idle or not. It does allow tracking of how much time they spent in meetings and how many chat messages they sent.
- neltnerb 2y ago
  Why are you focused on idle time? You don't think a LLM can try to answer other questions? Do you think Microsoft will prevent their paying customers (the companies) from querying, "What is the strongest legal reason to fire <person> based on the past three years of activity on this computer?" Their sales team would be absolute fools not to point out how much easier it makes it for a manager to see historically whether someone is performing tasks as they are specified in some formal handbook. The difference between doing that for reasonable reasons and doing that for post-hoc justification of targeted reprisals is in the mind of the manager and nowhere else. Maybe unspoken, but incredibly obvious. "Give me the man and I will give you the case against him."