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And install door plugs (or not, as the case may be)

by chris_va 2y ago

HeWhoLurksLate 2y ago
Hey now, that was done by Boeing
- nickff 2y ago
  According to most reporting, Spirit removed, then failed to re-install the door. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/boeing-loose-bolts-alaska-airlines-united-airlines-spirit-aerosystems-door-plug/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/boeing-loose-bolts-alaska-airli...
  - ajross 2y ago
    Yes, but to be fair the reporting is incomplete because the Boeing-maintained records of the maintenance were incomplete in seemingly-deliberate ways. So... we just don't know. At least one, plausibly two bad guys there.
    - lupusreal 2y ago
      As far as I can make out, Spirit employees (probably with the knowledge and tacit approval of management, because that's the way these things usually go) found a loophole in the record system that allowed them to avoid triggering QA checks. Boeing has blame for creating a system with such a loophole, or failing to find it before it was used, but it was Spirit personnel who actually used it.
      - Gibbon1 2y ago
        Reminds me of an MBA that worked for a customer. Figured out how to silently force various production tests in order to ship product faster.
      - stoobs 2y ago
        IIRC from one of the whistle-blower accounts, the main issue was that the Boeing computer system only had an option for fully removing the door, which wasn't done, only a partial removal to allow access to the parts needing work. There was then a disjoint between the Spirit work system and the Boeing one which resulted in someone saying "fuck it" and skipping it. Let me see if I can find the account again.
        stoobs 2y ago
        Eh, slightly faulty memory on the details, but it's here: Part 1 - https://leehamnews.com/2024/01/15/unplanned-removal-installation-inspection-procedure-at-boeing/#comment-509962 https://leehamnews.com/2024/01/15/unplanned-removal-installa... Part 2 - https://leehamnews.com/2024/01/15/unplanned-removal-installation-inspection-procedure-at-boeing/#comment-509963 https://leehamnews.com/2024/01/15/unplanned-removal-installa... Still a clusterfuck all around though.

And install door plugs (or not, as the case may be)

HeWhoLurksLate 2y ago

Hey now, that was done by Boeing

nickff 2y ago
According to most reporting, Spirit removed, then failed to re-install the door. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/boeing-loose-bolts-alaska-airlines-united-airlines-spirit-aerosystems-door-plug/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/boeing-loose-bolts-alaska-airli...
- ajross 2y ago
  Yes, but to be fair the reporting is incomplete because the Boeing-maintained records of the maintenance were incomplete in seemingly-deliberate ways. So... we just don't know. At least one, plausibly two bad guys there.
  - lupusreal 2y ago
    As far as I can make out, Spirit employees (probably with the knowledge and tacit approval of management, because that's the way these things usually go) found a loophole in the record system that allowed them to avoid triggering QA checks. Boeing has blame for creating a system with such a loophole, or failing to find it before it was used, but it was Spirit personnel who actually used it.
    - Gibbon1 2y ago
      Reminds me of an MBA that worked for a customer. Figured out how to silently force various production tests in order to ship product faster.
    - stoobs 2y ago
      IIRC from one of the whistle-blower accounts, the main issue was that the Boeing computer system only had an option for fully removing the door, which wasn't done, only a partial removal to allow access to the parts needing work. There was then a disjoint between the Spirit work system and the Boeing one which resulted in someone saying "fuck it" and skipping it. Let me see if I can find the account again.
      - stoobs 2y ago
        Eh, slightly faulty memory on the details, but it's here: Part 1 - https://leehamnews.com/2024/01/15/unplanned-removal-installation-inspection-procedure-at-boeing/#comment-509962 https://leehamnews.com/2024/01/15/unplanned-removal-installa... Part 2 - https://leehamnews.com/2024/01/15/unplanned-removal-installation-inspection-procedure-at-boeing/#comment-509963 https://leehamnews.com/2024/01/15/unplanned-removal-installa... Still a clusterfuck all around though.