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Yes, but Vanguard is very large and has a significant interest in the success of Tesla. This certainly wasn't a decision they took lightly and their vote in fav

Yes, but Vanguard is very large and has a significant interest in the success of Tesla. This certainly wasn't a decision they took lightly and their vote in favor of Musk shows that they have a significant amount of trust in him.

3pm 2y ago
For the record, Vanguard also has significant interest in the success of all Tesla competitors that are part of the index. Did Vanguard officially stated that they have "significant amount of trust in Musk"? They are not Cathy Woods.
- constantcrying 2y ago
  >Vanguard also has significant interest in the success of all Tesla competitors that are part of the index. They don't really. They own GM and Ford stock, in smaller quantities, nothing from the other largest auto makers. Do you know something I am not aware of?
  - 3pm 2y ago
    Vanguard just tracks indexes. Indexes that include all publicly traded auto manufacturers in the world. E.g. Toyota: https://www.morningstar.com/funds/xnas/vtiax/portfolio https://www.morningstar.com/funds/xnas/vtiax/portfolio Most of Vanguard is a large bureaucracy with two goals: accurately track an underlying index and keep the cost low. They do have some actively managed funds but those are insignificant compared to their passive funds.
3pm 2y ago
I actually think that for VTSAX manages, the fact that they have to vote is sort of a liability for them. My guess is that they would rather not vote at all. They own the whole market anyway, and should only care about tracking the underlying index as accurate as possible with as low fees as possible, its bureaucratic. Now they have to publicly vote in a dubious popularity contest and take sides in a battle they don't care about.
3pm 2y ago
Interestingly enough, Vanguard voted against the package originally in 2018, and Black Rock voted for it (according to nytimes https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/12/business/tesla-elon-musk-vote.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/12/business/tesla-elon-musk-...) Tesla’s second-largest shareholder, Vanguard, voted against the pay deal in 2018. BlackRock, the third largest, voted for it. Both declined to say how they were voting this time.

3pm 2y ago

For the record, Vanguard also has significant interest in the success of all Tesla competitors that are part of the index. Did Vanguard officially stated that they have "significant amount of trust in Musk"? They are not Cathy Woods.

constantcrying 2y ago
>Vanguard also has significant interest in the success of all Tesla competitors that are part of the index. They don't really. They own GM and Ford stock, in smaller quantities, nothing from the other largest auto makers. Do you know something I am not aware of?
- 3pm 2y ago
  Vanguard just tracks indexes. Indexes that include all publicly traded auto manufacturers in the world. E.g. Toyota: https://www.morningstar.com/funds/xnas/vtiax/portfolio https://www.morningstar.com/funds/xnas/vtiax/portfolio Most of Vanguard is a large bureaucracy with two goals: accurately track an underlying index and keep the cost low. They do have some actively managed funds but those are insignificant compared to their passive funds.

3pm 2y ago

I actually think that for VTSAX manages, the fact that they have to vote is sort of a liability for them. My guess is that they would rather not vote at all. They own the whole market anyway, and should only care about tracking the underlying index as accurate as possible with as low fees as possible, its bureaucratic. Now they have to publicly vote in a dubious popularity contest and take sides in a battle they don't care about.

3pm 2y ago

Interestingly enough, Vanguard voted against the package originally in 2018, and Black Rock voted for it (according to nytimes https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/12/business/tesla-elon-musk-vote.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/12/business/tesla-elon-musk-...) Tesla’s second-largest shareholder, Vanguard, voted against the pay deal in 2018. BlackRock, the third largest, voted for it. Both declined to say how they were voting this time.