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The law is a mutable, ever changing thing. New technology invariably leads to updates to the legal framework of society. Legal is not the same thing as ethica

The law is a mutable, ever changing thing. New technology invariably leads to updates to the legal framework of society. Legal is not the same thing as ethical, moral, or right.

23B1 2y ago
Of course it is. The work should therefore be on changing the law, not rug-pulling authors who are the real people who get hurt by this. They don't like the big publishers either.
- nyc_data_geek 2y ago
  Unfortunately, the reality is our legal system is largely subject to regulatory capture at this point. Moneyed interests(corporations and oligarchs) have much louder voices(deeper pockets) than the body politic as a whole, and thus the People are subject to rules made for the benefit of those interests. I don't think most authors are upset with IA or libraries, but rather a vocal minority of the same. Most authors know that things like this help their reach and ultimately make people more likely to buy their books in the long run. It was a publisher who filed this lawsuit, not an author.
  - 23B1 2y ago
    "Most authors know that things like this help their reach and ultimately make people more likely to buy their books in the long run." This is a huge, HUGE false belief amongst the technocrats who think they are on the side of the creators. I put this in the same bucket as the 'it democratizes creativity' fallacy. It might have been true right up until every techbro decided it was totally fine to scrape every bit of creativity off the web – legally and illegally – and repackage it into an AI model. The publishers are bad, agreed, but at least there's a framework for artists to make a penny for every buck. Today it's open season on every author, illustrator, photographer, and writer.
- wincy 2y ago
  I know, think of poor JRR Tolkien’s grandchildren and great grandchildren!
  - 23B1 2y ago
    Yes, exactly. Imagine spending your life developing something so brilliant and wonderful, so well-loved that even your descendants can benefit, and then have some technocrat decide he was going to destroy that with a single keystroke.

The law is a mutable, ever changing thing. New technology invariably leads to updates to the legal framework of society. Legal is not the same thing as ethical, moral, or right.

23B1 2y ago

Of course it is. The work should therefore be on changing the law, not rug-pulling authors who are the real people who get hurt by this. They don't like the big publishers either.

nyc_data_geek 2y ago
Unfortunately, the reality is our legal system is largely subject to regulatory capture at this point. Moneyed interests(corporations and oligarchs) have much louder voices(deeper pockets) than the body politic as a whole, and thus the People are subject to rules made for the benefit of those interests. I don't think most authors are upset with IA or libraries, but rather a vocal minority of the same. Most authors know that things like this help their reach and ultimately make people more likely to buy their books in the long run. It was a publisher who filed this lawsuit, not an author.
- 23B1 2y ago
  "Most authors know that things like this help their reach and ultimately make people more likely to buy their books in the long run." This is a huge, HUGE false belief amongst the technocrats who think they are on the side of the creators. I put this in the same bucket as the 'it democratizes creativity' fallacy. It might have been true right up until every techbro decided it was totally fine to scrape every bit of creativity off the web – legally and illegally – and repackage it into an AI model. The publishers are bad, agreed, but at least there's a framework for artists to make a penny for every buck. Today it's open season on every author, illustrator, photographer, and writer.
wincy 2y ago
I know, think of poor JRR Tolkien’s grandchildren and great grandchildren!
- 23B1 2y ago
  Yes, exactly. Imagine spending your life developing something so brilliant and wonderful, so well-loved that even your descendants can benefit, and then have some technocrat decide he was going to destroy that with a single keystroke.