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Indeed, these days it's more likely to be meatpacking or auto parts

by ink_13 2y ago

Lord-Jobo 2y ago
Saw mill, industrial lathe, or spot welder; I'm not sure it matters too much which one of these is killing desperate and poor children being abused for profit
- _heimdall 2y ago
  Do you have any stats on how many children are actually dying in these ways, and whether it is in fact disproportionately hurting the poor? I have a hard time believing many children are dying in this way in the US today but I'm happy to be wrong and learn something new if there is real data there.
  - oxide 2y ago
    Looks like the current stats are focused more on the 69% increase from '19 to '22 in illegally employed children across the US. [1] (https://www.dol.gov/newsroom/releases/whd/whd20220729 https://www.dol.gov/newsroom/releases/whd/whd20220729) Actually, that report includes a few examples of children killed on the job. Like a 16 year old who died while working in construction, he fell about 160 feet to the ground after trying to jump from a roof to a nearby powered lift. In Nashville. [2] (same link as [1]) It also details the rise in children being employed to do hazardous labor. Killed in sawmills is a bit of hyperbole, but it's not far off from the truth it seems.
    - _heimdall 2y ago
      That report basically includes a few anecdotes without data though, plus data that actually could go against the idea the regulations are the fix. If the stats are showing how many children are illegally employed it really has no basis on whether existing regulations or rollbacks made a difference, the employers and the kids weren't trying to follow the law.
      - oxide 2y ago
        You're absolutely right, it's not a report. It's a press release. I did dig and found another news article about the anecdote included. https://www.wkrn.com/news/local-news/nashville-family-advocating-for-construction-safety-year-after-teen-fell-to-his-death-at-construction-site/ https://www.wkrn.com/news/local-news/nashville-family-advoca... It looks like there is a discrepancy between State and Federal law, so the employers may indeed be acting in a twisted version of good faith. Despite the fact that Federal law supersedes state law. [2] https://www.shrm.org/topics-tools/news/all-things-work/child-labor-growing-problem https://www.shrm.org/topics-tools/news/all-things-work/child... I'm not implying regulations are the fix, I just think it's a little fucked up.
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Longlius 2y ago
Or dangerous agricultural work like picking and processing tobacco.

Indeed, these days it's more likely to be meatpacking or auto parts

by ink_13 2y ago

Indeed, these days it's more likely to be meatpacking or auto parts

Saw mill, industrial lathe, or spot welder; I'm not sure it matters too much which one of these is killing desperate and poor children being abused for profit

_heimdall 2y ago
Do you have any stats on how many children are actually dying in these ways, and whether it is in fact disproportionately hurting the poor? I have a hard time believing many children are dying in this way in the US today but I'm happy to be wrong and learn something new if there is real data there.
- oxide 2y ago
  Looks like the current stats are focused more on the 69% increase from '19 to '22 in illegally employed children across the US. [1] (https://www.dol.gov/newsroom/releases/whd/whd20220729 https://www.dol.gov/newsroom/releases/whd/whd20220729) Actually, that report includes a few examples of children killed on the job. Like a 16 year old who died while working in construction, he fell about 160 feet to the ground after trying to jump from a roof to a nearby powered lift. In Nashville. [2] (same link as [1]) It also details the rise in children being employed to do hazardous labor. Killed in sawmills is a bit of hyperbole, but it's not far off from the truth it seems.
  - _heimdall 2y ago
    That report basically includes a few anecdotes without data though, plus data that actually could go against the idea the regulations are the fix. If the stats are showing how many children are illegally employed it really has no basis on whether existing regulations or rollbacks made a difference, the employers and the kids weren't trying to follow the law.
    - oxide 2y ago
      You're absolutely right, it's not a report. It's a press release. I did dig and found another news article about the anecdote included. https://www.wkrn.com/news/local-news/nashville-family-advocating-for-construction-safety-year-after-teen-fell-to-his-death-at-construction-site/ https://www.wkrn.com/news/local-news/nashville-family-advoca... It looks like there is a discrepancy between State and Federal law, so the employers may indeed be acting in a twisted version of good faith. Despite the fact that Federal law supersedes state law. [2] https://www.shrm.org/topics-tools/news/all-things-work/child-labor-growing-problem https://www.shrm.org/topics-tools/news/all-things-work/child... I'm not implying regulations are the fix, I just think it's a little fucked up.
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Longlius 2y ago

Or dangerous agricultural work like picking and processing tobacco.