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Germans sponsor such projects in China because European emissions aren't growing much and are an irrelevant slice of global output. If you want to subsidize peo

Germans sponsor such projects in China because European emissions aren't growing much and are an irrelevant slice of global output. If you want to subsidize people to reduce emissions you have to go where the emissions are. At this point the developing world completely dominates emissions and emissions growth: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co-emissions-by-region?time=1950..latest https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co-emissions-by-re... China, India and Asia swamp all other contributors in terms of growth and (with the exception of America beating India) also absolute amounts. The entire EU emits around the same as India alone.

cryptonym 2y ago
> The entire EU emits around the same as India alone. With only a third of India's population. Don't worry there is still a lot to do in Europe.
- defrost 2y ago
  > With only a third of India's population. Therein lies the rub. The current reality is that US and EU per capita emissions are rather flat ATM whereas those of India and China are on the rise. There is work to do all about, the EU and US could certainly come down per capita (but by how much) and India and China ideally should be capped (but by whom and how) at less per capita than the EU|US currently .. ideally new technology will achieve that while allowing "modern" expectations of consumption. The future reality is even should that all come to pass we're still looking at a global net increase in emmissions when ideally we very much want a global reduction. However we as humans in the world get there it's hardly useful to foster international bickering when we all stand to gain through cooperation.
verticalscaler 2y ago
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ithkuil 2y ago
> The entire EU emits around the same as India alone. Well, but India is a huge country. It has 3 times the population of the EU. Which means that pro-capita the EU is emitting 3x more than India.
- mike_hearn 2y ago
  That's irrelevant though for the purposes of this discussion, which is why are Germans funding projects in China. If you care about absolute levels of emissions the west just isn't relevant. All the decisions that matter are being made in Asia. And as we can see from the fraud rates on these projects, they don't care.
blackoil 2y ago
> If you want to subsidize people to reduce emissions you have to go where the emissions are. Emission is everywhere and EU can work to further reduce the emissions they have. e.g. heat pumps vs Gas heater, insulation. Also, it can be done in Africa, SEA to prevent next big wave of emissions coming from there.

cryptonym 2y ago

> The entire EU emits around the same as India alone. With only a third of India's population. Don't worry there is still a lot to do in Europe.

defrost 2y ago
> With only a third of India's population. Therein lies the rub. The current reality is that US and EU per capita emissions are rather flat ATM whereas those of India and China are on the rise. There is work to do all about, the EU and US could certainly come down per capita (but by how much) and India and China ideally should be capped (but by whom and how) at less per capita than the EU|US currently .. ideally new technology will achieve that while allowing "modern" expectations of consumption. The future reality is even should that all come to pass we're still looking at a global net increase in emmissions when ideally we very much want a global reduction. However we as humans in the world get there it's hardly useful to foster international bickering when we all stand to gain through cooperation.

verticalscaler 2y ago

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ithkuil 2y ago

> The entire EU emits around the same as India alone. Well, but India is a huge country. It has 3 times the population of the EU. Which means that pro-capita the EU is emitting 3x more than India.

mike_hearn 2y ago
That's irrelevant though for the purposes of this discussion, which is why are Germans funding projects in China. If you care about absolute levels of emissions the west just isn't relevant. All the decisions that matter are being made in Asia. And as we can see from the fraud rates on these projects, they don't care.

blackoil 2y ago

> If you want to subsidize people to reduce emissions you have to go where the emissions are. Emission is everywhere and EU can work to further reduce the emissions they have. e.g. heat pumps vs Gas heater, insulation. Also, it can be done in Africa, SEA to prevent next big wave of emissions coming from there.