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If you can’t see that one side has let the extremist faction become a mainstream voice of their movement, you’re part of the problem.

reramuyc 2y ago
lol... when you cant have a some discord show you are the problem
chrismcb 2y ago
Which side are you talking about?
- DougN7 2y ago
  Seriously? Maybe I’m blind (and if so please point out what I’m missing) but I only see one side that: * seems to be increasing and supporting racism * has members trying to start a race war (see recent news) * has many members saying it’s time to arm and have a civil war and kill those that disagree (easy to find on Facebook) * increasingly encourages armed militias I see all of that on the extreme right. If it’s happening openly on the extreme left, I’d like to hear about it. For what it’s worth my views slant right, but MAGA and Trump destroyed the right party.
hagbard_c 2y ago
Yes, it is remarkable how much the 'democratic' party seems beholden to its extremist wing, this is likely to cost them dearly in the coming elections. By acting in ways they accuse the other side of doing they are losing their own more moderates as well as independents who either go to 'the other side' or vote for the 'third-party candidate'. I suspect this is more or less the opposite of what you were trying to say but that does not make it less true. It even fits with the pattern I mentioned before where 'democrats' accuse others of things they are doing themselves. From the 'threat to the democracy' via 'using the courts to attack opponents' this is all a matter of the pot calling the kettle black. Here's to hoping the upcoming elections end up mostly fair and square - no more shenanigans with mail-in ballots, no night-time counting sessions behind closed doors and for $deity's sake require the voters to identify themselves using some official ID like you need to buy a six-pack of beer and like is done in nearly all civilised countries. Make sure there is a paper trail, do not rely on electronic voting because that is not transparent enough for Joe Sixpack - and right he is. Preliminary results - from actual vote counts, not from exit polls - should be available on the same evening as the vote closes, there is no excuse for 2-3 week waiting periods.
- bhj 2y ago
  > no more shenanigans with mail-in ballots Ludicrous. Remember how T**** told supporters to not use mail-in ballots[0], then tried to stop the counting of mail-in ballots? [1] Or told people to vote twice? [2] Yes, one party is demonstrably more anti-democracy than the other. As for your voter fraud FUD: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_U.S._presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related... [0] https://www.factcheck.org/2020/09/trumps-repeated-false-attacks-on-mail-in-ballots/ https://www.factcheck.org/2020/09/trumps-repeated-false-atta... [1] https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4920640/user-clip-donald-trump-attempt-stop-counting-votes-ahead https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4920640/user-clip-donald-trum... [2] https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article245460825.html https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/articl...

reramuyc 2y ago

lol... when you cant have a some discord show you are the problem

chrismcb 2y ago

Which side are you talking about?

DougN7 2y ago
Seriously? Maybe I’m blind (and if so please point out what I’m missing) but I only see one side that: * seems to be increasing and supporting racism * has members trying to start a race war (see recent news) * has many members saying it’s time to arm and have a civil war and kill those that disagree (easy to find on Facebook) * increasingly encourages armed militias I see all of that on the extreme right. If it’s happening openly on the extreme left, I’d like to hear about it. For what it’s worth my views slant right, but MAGA and Trump destroyed the right party.

hagbard_c 2y ago

Yes, it is remarkable how much the 'democratic' party seems beholden to its extremist wing, this is likely to cost them dearly in the coming elections. By acting in ways they accuse the other side of doing they are losing their own more moderates as well as independents who either go to 'the other side' or vote for the 'third-party candidate'. I suspect this is more or less the opposite of what you were trying to say but that does not make it less true. It even fits with the pattern I mentioned before where 'democrats' accuse others of things they are doing themselves. From the 'threat to the democracy' via 'using the courts to attack opponents' this is all a matter of the pot calling the kettle black. Here's to hoping the upcoming elections end up mostly fair and square - no more shenanigans with mail-in ballots, no night-time counting sessions behind closed doors and for $deity's sake require the voters to identify themselves using some official ID like you need to buy a six-pack of beer and like is done in nearly all civilised countries. Make sure there is a paper trail, do not rely on electronic voting because that is not transparent enough for Joe Sixpack - and right he is. Preliminary results - from actual vote counts, not from exit polls - should be available on the same evening as the vote closes, there is no excuse for 2-3 week waiting periods.

bhj 2y ago
> no more shenanigans with mail-in ballots Ludicrous. Remember how T**** told supporters to not use mail-in ballots[0], then tried to stop the counting of mail-in ballots? [1] Or told people to vote twice? [2] Yes, one party is demonstrably more anti-democracy than the other. As for your voter fraud FUD: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_U.S._presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related... [0] https://www.factcheck.org/2020/09/trumps-repeated-false-attacks-on-mail-in-ballots/ https://www.factcheck.org/2020/09/trumps-repeated-false-atta... [1] https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4920640/user-clip-donald-trump-attempt-stop-counting-votes-ahead https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4920640/user-clip-donald-trum... [2] https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article245460825.html https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/articl...