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They are reportedly working on it https://www.wsj.com/articles/keeping-sanctioned-russian-timber-out-of-the-eu-is-tricky-this-nonprofit-has-a-solution-1bf366b0

by cco 2y ago

They are reportedly working on it https://www.wsj.com/articles/keeping-sanctioned-russian-timber-out-of-the-eu-is-tricky-this-nonprofit-has-a-solution-1bf366b0 https://www.wsj.com/articles/keeping-sanctioned-russian-timb... My impression is that it's really difficult to do at scale because it isn't trivial to tell this tree from that tree, especially post harvest and paperwork is always spoofable.

petre 2y ago
That's why they source their wood in a country with shitty legislation and corrupt politicians. Because they are "working on it". Their wood supplier is operating on a loss, so no taxes paid to the state.
- Joker_vD 2y ago
  Russia for the last 8 years have been pushing its woodcutting industry pretty hard at placing a QR code at every single chopped tree and uploading it to the government's centralized DB, analogous to what they do with marking the produced ethanol. Of course, I imagine that at the customs/borders the situation is much more... "solvable", if you know the right people.
  - petre 2y ago
    Sure. That's only the legal logging operations. Most of the operators also so illegal logging in parallel. They might ship wood pulp or other wood based products instead of logs. Don't even start about ethanol, because they make samagon (moonshine) out of anything that ferments, including chicken poop. It's just not sold in stores, you "get" it on the black market.
lifestyleguru 2y ago
> it isn't trivial to tell this tree from that tree At such budgets, scale, and lobbying there is no such thing as "ooops, we didn't know where this come from, some lumberjack lied to us". You have folks in suits flying in private jets and arranging agreements (and cocaine and prostitutes as well of course).
postepowanieadm 2y ago
That's bs, problem has been known for decades, forestry in Europe has been regulated for centuries. The only problem is price and availability, that's why ikea is fighting teeth and nails to keep "mixed"(FSC® Mix) category and be able to claim it's green while using illegally harvested wood.

by cco 2y ago

petre 2y ago

That's why they source their wood in a country with shitty legislation and corrupt politicians. Because they are "working on it". Their wood supplier is operating on a loss, so no taxes paid to the state.

Joker_vD 2y ago
Russia for the last 8 years have been pushing its woodcutting industry pretty hard at placing a QR code at every single chopped tree and uploading it to the government's centralized DB, analogous to what they do with marking the produced ethanol. Of course, I imagine that at the customs/borders the situation is much more... "solvable", if you know the right people.
- petre 2y ago
  Sure. That's only the legal logging operations. Most of the operators also so illegal logging in parallel. They might ship wood pulp or other wood based products instead of logs. Don't even start about ethanol, because they make samagon (moonshine) out of anything that ferments, including chicken poop. It's just not sold in stores, you "get" it on the black market.

lifestyleguru 2y ago

> it isn't trivial to tell this tree from that tree At such budgets, scale, and lobbying there is no such thing as "ooops, we didn't know where this come from, some lumberjack lied to us". You have folks in suits flying in private jets and arranging agreements (and cocaine and prostitutes as well of course).

postepowanieadm 2y ago

That's bs, problem has been known for decades, forestry in Europe has been regulated for centuries. The only problem is price and availability, that's why ikea is fighting teeth and nails to keep "mixed"(FSC® Mix) category and be able to claim it's green while using illegally harvested wood.