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> Nobody decided that Russia is an enemy Yes, the US decided and it was easy to lure thousands of Ukrainians to the Maidan uprising. 10 years ago no Ukranian

> Nobody decided that Russia is an enemy Yes, the US decided and it was easy to lure thousands of Ukrainians to the Maidan uprising. 10 years ago no Ukranian would think that ditching Russian influence in favor of the West would end so bad, right? Now it is time for them to come to their senses and stop throwing themselves to a meat grind. The dream of beating a nuclear power is too far from reality for them and the earlier the civilians understand that, the better. That's a war they should never ever being convinced they could win. Even if they could win now they already lost so much. It is still time to think if this is enough or if Ukraine wants to gamble their whole existence and continue waging a war they can't win. Btw there was no mention of neonazis yet but it seems like supporting nazis is something that bothers you? It is still time to stop.

randomopining 2y ago
So the premise of your argument is that millions of Ukrainians across all swathes of their society have somehow been duped into a political stance, and then a huge war. Do you realize how that makes no sense?
talldayo 2y ago
> The dream of beating a nuclear power is too far from reality for them A friendly reminder that the unstoppable nuclear power of the USSR was in-fact toppled by self-imposed economic reform and a lack of control over it's constituent states. So in reality, beating a nuclear power via secession and self-determination isn't just feasible, it's the standard.
- meiraleal 2y ago
  It took what, 50 years for the other unstoppable nuclear power to stop the USSR? I don't think Ukraine has the resources and the manpower to fight Russia for 50 years.
  - talldayo 2y ago
    Ukraine doesn't, but NATO does. Even China has been pushing back against Russia's territorial aggression, they have no one to stand up for them on the world stage. How does Russia defeat NATO? Grandstanding and brinkmanship punctuated by long periods of low-tension hostility? The whole world knows the score. Putin had to stage terrorist attacks on his own country to secure a single presidency. Without popular appeal he can only threaten people smaller than him, and even those countries are willing to call Putin's bluff: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_lines_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_lines_in_the_Russo-Ukraini...

randomopining 2y ago

So the premise of your argument is that millions of Ukrainians across all swathes of their society have somehow been duped into a political stance, and then a huge war. Do you realize how that makes no sense?

talldayo 2y ago

> The dream of beating a nuclear power is too far from reality for them A friendly reminder that the unstoppable nuclear power of the USSR was in-fact toppled by self-imposed economic reform and a lack of control over it's constituent states. So in reality, beating a nuclear power via secession and self-determination isn't just feasible, it's the standard.

meiraleal 2y ago
It took what, 50 years for the other unstoppable nuclear power to stop the USSR? I don't think Ukraine has the resources and the manpower to fight Russia for 50 years.
- talldayo 2y ago
  Ukraine doesn't, but NATO does. Even China has been pushing back against Russia's territorial aggression, they have no one to stand up for them on the world stage. How does Russia defeat NATO? Grandstanding and brinkmanship punctuated by long periods of low-tension hostility? The whole world knows the score. Putin had to stage terrorist attacks on his own country to secure a single presidency. Without popular appeal he can only threaten people smaller than him, and even those countries are willing to call Putin's bluff: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_lines_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_lines_in_the_Russo-Ukraini...